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Monday, April 25, 2005 - 5:27pm

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"How about just having some honest-to-goodness fun? Jumping for joy? Spontaneous outbursts of happiness? Even unashamedly being a "touchy-feely" "feel-good" creepy person that is occasionally sneered at around here by "sophisticated" sourpusses?

Ain't nobody hiding anything as far as I can see.

And inventing a character and playing it is not a waste of time for one with an artistic bent. It is part of what we do.

There is also another alternative to the "nobody is going to tell 'me' what to do" attitude. (That smells too much like the one-upmanship crap I loathe anyway.) It is being a good egoist and simply not giving a fuck what people think when you are happy."

Michael, they aren't asking you to stop acting happy, they aren't telling you what to do and maybe you should take into consideration what some very respectable and intelligent people are telling you. This is a matter of being respectful to the other people who post here on SOLO. You have plenty of chances to express yourself and be happy.... on things like instant message and email. You can even do it here. They are just asking you to tone it down a little.

- Jason

(Edited by Jason Quintana on 4/25, 5:32pm)

Post 21

Monday, April 25, 2005 - 8:36pm

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Dayamm Jason!

You're smarter than that.

I'm hetero, dude. Ain't you noticed?

If I said no to a popsie, why on earth you think I'm gonna say yes to a galoot?

But thanks for the suggestion...

//;-)

Michael

(Edited by Michael Stuart Kelly on 4/25, 9:23pm)

Post 22

Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 6:46am

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Kat and Michael,

What with this tremendous thing that�s going on between you two, at this stage of your lives, I am still holding my breath and can hardly notice anything else. What the rest of the world think of you just appears so trivial at such extraordinary moment, doesn�t it?!

Carry on and best of luck,

Love as always,

Hong

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Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 11:56pm

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Hong,

You are such a dear sweet friend. Thank you for dropping in. Want some mud? There's plenty to go around!

LOL

Yes it is trivial. The guy who posted on this thing last spoke as if Kat and I had somehow disrespected the posters on Solo by our playfulness. Actually it made a great hook for more.

But on a serious note, it makes me wonder at what kind of sadness and frustrations inhabit the hearts of people who think like that. They seem to be incapable of simply stating an opinion like you did and letting it go at that.

I think they want to teach others or something. Maybe be obeyed. Who knows? They sure get wound up and busy, busy, busy when you don't follow their "advice." There is definitely a collective dynamic going on over there.

I will not give them my moral sanction on this, though. Neither I nor Kat were disrespectful to anyone so far. On the contrary, we have been outright insulted by several. Shame on them.

The good news is - I really don't give a fuck, one way or the other.

LOL.

I DO care a great deal about what YOU think. (But you know that already, don't you?) I have a few other strong friendships that are blossoming around here based on high intellectual standards, respect and goodwill. Those I deeply care about also.

Except for a passing thought or two, I hope all those mature adult folks around here have a ball. Otherwise I simply don't think about them - maybe wish them well, that's all.

btw - The magic is definitely there. How I wish there were a God so that I could thank Him for Kat coming into my life. We will keep you posted.

Love from both of us,

Michael

Post 24

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 6:33am

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Michael (and Kat)

Congratulations are due and sent this day.

Keep us posted.

Tom

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Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 7:16am

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But on a serious note, it makes me wonder at what kind of sadness and frustrations inhabit the hearts of people who think like that. They seem to be incapable of simply stating an opinion like you did and letting it go at that.

Well, I was finished posting on this, but I am not going to stand idly by while such implications are made. In reference to Jason's post above, he did state an opinion -- and let it go at that. That it does not concur with yours does not make him a sad, frustrated person. And if your speculation is about me, guess again.

You seem to be of the opinion that if we aren't going "awwwwwwww..." every time we see a gush, we are miserable people. Give me a break.

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Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 9:55am

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Jennifer,

He didn't just state an opinion about me. He said that it was a matter of being respectful.

It isn't. It is a matter of taste.

Ya'll wanna talk about ME in public, but get you dander up when I talk about YOU. Being a matter of taste, I wonder why this noble crusade was carried out in public anyway, with flurries of e-mails and all the rest. Busy, busy, busy. Makes me wonder...

Hmmmmmmmm...

btw - You don't have to go "awwwwwwwwww"...

I don't mind.

Michael

PS to Tom. - Thank you very much for your sentiment. You are one of those I see a budding friendship starting to happen with. (sip... sip...)

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Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 9:57am

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(Edited by katdaddy on 4/27, 9:59am)

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Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 10:09am

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I wonder why this noble crusade was carried out in public anyway

An excellent point Michael.

Ethan

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Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 1:41pm

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I wonder why this noble crusade was carried out in public anyway
An excellent point Michael.

Ethan

Indeed, one does wonder why such private sentiments are carried out in public. This is, after all, a public forum. To consider it in a negative manner that Jennifer publishes this private matter on a public forum and not consider the obviously private correspondance between Michael and Kat that she was responding to in an equally negative manner smells somewhat hypocritical.

Michael and Kat, I think we are all very happy for you and I for one am not harboring 'sadness and frustration' in my heart and consider the insinuation disrespectful. But this is a public forum based on a premise of a mutual benificial exchange of information. If anything, I find your public posting of private sentiments an increase in the signal to noise ratio of this fabulous and thought provoking web forum. While it is wonferfull to get an insight into two obviously very happy and passionate people, to remind us all of what great things can happen in the world, it does not always seem the appropriate place or frequency.

If I were to run into an accountants conference and scream at the top of my longs how wonderfully in love i am in and that I just got married, everyone would pause and most would probably be happy for me, as long as I let them then go about their business, partaking in the thing that gathered them together, which was not to hear me tell love stories. Conversely, if I stayed and continue professing my love at the top of my lungs I believe they would be right to consider my actions disrespectful of their person.

Living a Howard Roak / John Galt inspired life of independance does not suggest one act as though no other people exist in the world by saying 'fuck off', I am not your slave' should someone suggest they are actingly innapropriately. To paraphrase Aristotle, Anybody can be sappy, that is easy, but to be sappy with the right person and to the right degree and to the right time and for the right purpose and in the right place, that is not within everybody's power and is not easy'

Regards,

Michael Dickey

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Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 1:58pm

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To paraphrase Aristotle, Anybody can be sappy, that is easy, but to be sappy with the right person and to the right degree and to the right time and for the right purpose and in the right place, that is not within everybody's power and is not easy'

Heh heh. That was pretty good.

Michael, I'm not particularly concerned over your love offerings to and from Katdaddy. You both seem nice and I hope it works out for you two.

From my angle it is clear that Jennifer was trying to do you a favor by pointing this out in a light-hearted way. As is so often the case online, that intention was misunderstood.

You are aware that public demonstrations of affection are considered bad manners by many, yes? If you just don't care that's cool. But for me, having 2 (or more!) people making out or having sex 5 feet away from me makes me uncomfortable. What you and Kat are doing is different from that, but not terribly different.

Jennifer, isn't it interesting how far things can go wrong when you try to be nice about something? This kind of thing happens to me all the time.

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Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 2:05pm

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To consider it in a negative manner that Jennifer publishes this private matter on a public forum and not consider the obviously private correspondance between Michael and Kat that she was responding to in an equally negative manner smells somewhat hypocritical.

My point Mr Dickey is that:

1) Michael and Kat are obviously in love and are giddy and silly over it. I'm well and truely pleased for them
2) Calling them out in public for their apparently annoyingly sappy bahaviour is beyond the scope of what I consider polite (I, as in me and my own opinion.)

So much of the focus these days is on pointing out negative and irrational things in the world, its refreshing to see people happy. To a point. To be completely honest, I find the "Colonel" posts to unreadable, therefore my scroll-bar does wonders. When I get tired of reading the wuvvy duvvy stuff, my scrollbar does wonders. If I get really annoyed with it filling up thread after thread, I'll send Michael or Kat an email or PM noting this. They are free to do whatever they want in regards to mine or anyone elses opinion. Jen is within her rights to say how she feels about it, publicly or privately. I'm free to agree in content and disagree in delivery method.

So, its not hypocrisy. Thank YOU very much.

Ethan

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Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 2:15pm

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Woah there Michael D,

There's no hypocrisy here. I just wondered about why people, if they want to talk so much about ME in public, get so upset when I talk about THEM. That leads me to wonder what goes on in people's minds who get so wound up about it. I certainly don't see rationality as the cause. If they want to drag their tastes out in public on a personal basis, that's OK with me. But then they gotta deal with me. And I ain't buying that stuck up crap.

I found this whole thing silly anyway. If you think about it, it's really funny. (LOLOL... sorry... //;-)

People can say whatever they damn well please around here - including you. So go for it. Get your jollies. I don't mind. The moderator and chief cook and bottle washer exists to determine what is acceptable or not.

I thank the powers that be that SOLO is not an account's meeting place or whatever. I wouldn't be here if it was. From Linz's posts, I kind of get the idea that he likes a little emotion too.

I'm sorry I bother you, brother. We don't agree. No disrespect intended. Deal with it.

Michael

Post 33

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 2:24pm

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Hi Lance,

If you just don't care that's cool.

We agree. You're right. I don't. Thanks.

Michael

Edit btw - "making out or having sex 5 feet away" - Ain't that forcing it a little? Come on. And you say you're a songwriter?

(Edited by Michael Stuart Kelly on 4/27, 2:31pm)

Post 34

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 2:51pm

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Perhaps some Latin words of wisdom are needed here:

De gustibus non est disputandum

People, let this dropping drop, otherwise, it's anally retentive.

To the Moon, Alice...