| | Mr. Ethan Dawe,
First, my short answers to your questions.
"Islamists seem to be a more conservative wing, but I could be wrong."
The Islamists are part of the Muslim elite. There is no progressive Islam, only secularized Muslims.
"In any case, I still know some Muslims who don't want to convert or kill everyone."
That's absolutely right, and important from a strategic point of view. But misguiding for the description of the nature of Islam.
Now more detailed answers.
A Muslim is, by definition, an individual who believes in Islam. A Muslim can't accept secularism, because Islam does not accept it. In Islam, authority means both political and Muslim authority.
The main goal of Islam is its propagation to the whole world. That goal is a Muslim duty. According to Islam, any method of accomplishing that ultimate end is justified. The main division of methods is traditionally drawn between jihad and da'wa.
The propaganda methods are included by the term da'wa. Its main meaning is "proselytism". In this proselytism, all methods are allowed too, included the techniques of deceit of taqiyya and kitman, that were very successful in the recent Balkans war (Madeleine Albright fell into the taqiyya trap), and have been developed with a storming success in Europe, now converted into a chaotic "Eurabia", in the last three decades triggered by the different oil crisis (unvaluable information on the ongoing Islamization of Europe in this interview to historian Dr. Bat Ye'Or and in her latest book, Eurabia.) All Muslims must theoretically practice da'wa when you debate with them. Otherwise, they would be, by definition, bad Muslims. Self-critizism is not permissible within Islam. Islam is dogmatically perfect.
The violent methods are included in the term jihad, already described in post #141. From the "Shorter Encyclopaedia of Islam":
"DJIHAD, holy war. The spread of Islam by arms is a religious duty upon Muslims in general. [...]" [Bold and italics mine.]
That definition includes two aspects:
1) The spread of Islam by arms is a Muslim duty. That duty is directly performed by the jihadis.
2) That's a religious duty upon Muslims in general. Not all Muslims are required to wage jihad, but they are required to directly or indirectly support it (in example, through Muslim "charities" or by giving shelter to jihadis). The jihadis are, by the definitions of jihad and of Muslim, the Muslim elite. That's why Bin Laden is so revered in the Muslim world.
On the term "Islamist"
The question that Sarah posed "not all Islamists are religious-fanatic killers" has this answer:
Yes, not all Islamists are themselves religious-fanatic killers but, by the definition of Muslim, all Muslims are compelled by Islam to directly or indirectly support the jihadi religious-fanatic killers.
All jihadis are Islamists. All direct supporters of jihad and da'wa are also Islamists.
Moreover, taking into account the definitions I have written above, all observant Muslims are indeed Islamists, and only Muslim apostates or secularized Muslims can be defined as real non-Islamists. Again, the example that makes it clear: the perfect model of Muslim, for all followers of Islam, is Mohammed, who was a jihadi. That's much more close to Hitler or Mao than to Ayn Rand or Moses.
I repeat: the problem is evil ideas. Alexis de Tocqueville, author of the Democracy in America, once said:
"I studied the Kuran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. As far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world, and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion infinitely more to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself." [Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859) "Letter to Arthur Gobineau," October 22, 1843] [Bolds mine.]
Honestly, I can't agree more with that eminent writter, and think that Islam is possibly the worst of the anti-human systems I have ever known about.
Excellent links to keep you informed:
1) http://www.jihadwatch.org (a website monitoring all aspects of the ongoing global jihad)
2) http://www.memritv.com (Middle East Media Research Intitute: monitors the Middle East TV stations, it includes revealing videos of sermons, inteviews and haranges).
3) http://www.faithfreedom.org (the brave people who left Islam is helping us to be informed.)
Feel free to forward that message to your Representative and spread the word.
Best wishes,
Joel Català
(Edited by Joel Català on 6/21, 8:54am)
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