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[Author's note: In order to b_y_p_a.s.s the I.n.t.e.r.n.e.t b_l_o_c_k_i_n_g in C.h.i.n.a, I have to have some words deformed.]

 

If we want to judge something, we should give them definitions. The Culture, especially the C.h____e.s.e Culture, has not been well defined hitherto. Generally, C.h____e.s.e Dictionaries always give some vague explanations as "all of the material and mental wealth in sum, mental ones are more emphasized on."

 

But definitions like this are problematic. Because people cannot get the essence of culture. The term "sum" is a vague notion. We don't know how much element constitutes the "sum". There is always something that we don't know. So given this situation, one cannot compare cultures in a general way. "

 

But we also can get some useful informations from this vague definition, that is "mental ones are more emphasized on". When we talk about Culture, what we mean are always some mental entities such as thoughts, ideals, arts, literature. As to some material entities, only when they closely relate to mental entities can we regard them as something cultural.

 

In the case of C.h____e.s.e Culture, we have known that it is more emphasized on mental aspects, so the C.h____e.s.e Culture should refer to some modes of thinking of C.h____e.s.e people. Modes of thinking can produce modes of action, modes of life, including philosophy of life.

Given this explanation, we can analyze the C.h____e.s.e Culture. No matter how "broad and deep" C.h____e.s.e Culture are (as many C.h____e.s.e think their culture), it's just the derivative of some core ideas.

 

As a mental production, an i.d.e.o.l.o.g.y, the "C.h____e.s.e Culture" is anti-humanity from its naissance. It is full of mysticism, a_u_t_o_c_r_a_c_y, anti-intelligence, o_b_s_c_u_rantism, and vi_ol_e_nce. Of course, in ancient times, C.h____e.s.e Culture is not the only culture that has these bad aspects. But only "C.h____e.s.e Culture" preserves these bad aspects hitherto, which spans thousands of years. It is trapped in a vicious circle. It is the culture that should be eliminated so long ago.

 

As to the concept "anti-humanity", that requires the concept "humanity", which should be also well defined but are not. But we now know that humanity should not be simply regarded as good or bad. There are both virtuous and vicious aspects in human nature. But the neutral aspects of human nature, the "neither good nor bad" aspects, are fundamental to human well-being. What should be protected are just these aspects.

 

W-e-s-t-e-r-n people accurately recognized that the vicious aspects of human nature are prone to prevail. So it is necessary to conceive a good political system to prevent these bad aspects from prevailing. On the contrary, ancient C.h____e.s.e people roughly discuss this topic for a short time, and self-deceivingly defined human nature as "virtuous". Since then, the "virtuous" human nature became the pretext of doing e.v.i.l. Until now, "human nature is virtuous" is still the p.o.l.i.t.i.c.a.l instrument in use.

 

I say the C.h____e.s.e Culture is anti-humanity, not only because it hinders people from pursuing happiness and virtue, but also actively develops the vicious aspect of human nature, and let it reach the peak.

 

The springhead of C.h____e.s.e Culture, the "I Ching" (or yi jing, the so-called "book of change"), is full of mystic, irrational characters. It influences the C.h____e.s.e Culture and all schools of thought completely. It is also the theoretical basis of the world's number-one pseudoscience ---- "Traditional C.h____e.s.e Medicine". It has been poisoning human intellectualness and bewitching people's mind. In fact, the I Ching is just a "book of fortune-telling". It is the product of ignorance and silliness.

 

Although many people still debate on the "exact meanings" of the ill-minded wild words of I Ching, that would not prevent those charlatans, "experts of sinology", "folk scientists" from using it to cheat and poison people.

 

C.h____e.s.e Culture seems not so r.e.l.i.gious on the surface. But this is because its d.e.s.p.otic aspects overwhelm its rel.i.gi.ous aspects. In the folk, various sorceries, superstitions, c.u.l.t.s always prosper and are durable. The irrational tendencies of C.h____e.s.e Culture are never less than rel.i.g.io.us cultures.

 

This determines the "C.h____e.s.e Culture" to be anti-rational, irrational culture from the beginning. This is its first failing.

 

The main body of C.h____e.s.e Culture is the Co.n.f.uc.ianism. Although many C.h____e.s.e people always transfigure Co.n.f.uc.i.anism, yet history cannot be distorted. The contents, derivations and practical consequences of C.o.n.f.u.cianism are all well recorded: it is a whole story of evils. Nothing can change this fact.

 

The most deceptive aspect of Co.n.f.u.c.i.anism is its advocacy for so-called "benevolence and righteousness"(ren yi). Ren Yi is a nice promise ---- but it is no more than a promise, it's an empty promise. Ren yi is not the end, it's just a means --- the means of performing a.u.t.a.r.c.h.y. What it emphasizes is commanding people to be tame and obedient to the d-i-c-t-a-t-o-rs.

 

Hegel once evaluated the doctrine of Confucius. He said that it is just a kind of common-sense morality, without any extraordinary element. This kind of common-sense morality can be found everywhere in the world, in every nation; and the some morality of other nations are better, such as that of Greeks.

 

This evaluation gives the "thought" of Confucius the final judgement. It's not qualified to be a "philosophy". M.a.r.x said that C.h.i.n.a has no science and philosophy. Indeed, one cannot see anything abstract in C.h____e.s.e classical literature. What we see is just some dicta and patters, which are regarded as full of wisdom, but they are virtually foolish enough.

 

One may say, "Ends j.u.s.t.i.f.y means". As long as the ends is good, and make good consequences, the theory should be positively regarded. But regrettably, the ends of C.o.n.f.u.c.ianism have been and are being to maintain the autocracies of monarchs. Nowadays some shameless "scholars" begin to propagandize that the theories of Confucius and Mencius include some elements of democracy. Their proof is only one sentence which Mencius spoke casually, "People the first, State the second, and monarchs the last."(min wei gui, she ji ci zhi, jun wei qing )

 

This is absolutely perversion. They desperately hold these whimmy words as their lifesaving straw, regardless much more expressions of Confucius and Mencius which support a_u_t_o_c_r_a_c_y. This fact alone can be the proof of the hypocrisy and shamelessness of C.o.n.f.u.c.ia.n.ism and Co.n.f.u.cians.

 

All the materials, from the classical works of Co.n.f.u.c.i.a.nism, to introducers of Co.n.f.u.c.i.a.nism, have proved that the nature of Co.n.f.u.c.i.a.nism is a.u.t.a.r.c.h.i.st. Nothing can change this fact.

 

Conf.u.c.i.a.n.ism renders C.h____e.s.e Culture one of the most long-standing, most conservative, most ruthless culture. It has no desirable element.

 

Many people want to take C.o.n.f.u.c.i.a.nism as a tool to remedy the completely moral c.o.r.r.u.p.t.i.o.n in modern C.h.i.n.a. But what they ignore is that, Confucius was in the same situation then. He wanted to revive the ancient ceremonies in order to remedy the moral c-o-r-r-u-p-t-i-o-n at that time. But he never succeeded, nor his disciples and followers. What they succeeded was to make the country more autocratic, more corrupt, more hypocritical, more degenerate, more obscure, more b.r.u.t.a.l, and more anti-humanistic.

 

The ultimate object of Co.n.f.u.c.i.a.nism is to maintain the superiority of monarchs and the inferiority of ordinary people. The so-called "benevolence and righteousness" never put into practice. Once one does not recognize the superiority of monarchs and the inferiority of ordinary people, the r.u.l.e.r.s immediately tear their disguise of "benevolence and righteousness" and began to k-i-l-l people.

 

These people who flatter C.h.i.n.a as a "the country full of civilities"(li yi zhi bang) never understand this fact: the character "li" does not mean "civility", but means a kind of artificial order in which the superiority of monarchs and the inferiority of ordinary people are well maintained.

 

The facts is that, there were and are no real civility in C.h.i.n.a. The history of C.h.i.n.a is full of b-l-o-o-d-y palace conflicts, brutal m-a-s-s-a-c-r-e-s, and terrorful t.o.r.t.u.r.e.s.

 

C.o.n.f.u.c.i.a.n.i.s.m is the primary cause that makes C.h____e.s.e Culture the anti-humanistic one. Its essential feature is a.u.t.a.r.c.h.y.

 

How about other genres of "the hundred families of thoughts" (a preferable term used to describe all thinkers in the Eastern Zhou dynasty, circa 476 BC -- 221 BC)? There is a misapprehension. Although Eastern Zhou is relatively freer for people to think, the genres of thought are just only several ones. This "hundred families of thoughts" can be even counted on one's fingers. The contents of these thoughts are very poor indeed.

 

There are some shameless, foolish C.h____e.s.e "scholars", who are fond of fabricating so-called "scientific miracles" and "advanced thoughts" of ancient C.h.i.n.a. Such as "Leibnitz stealthily studied I Ching and invented binary number system," or "optical principles and Newtonian mechanics are discovered by Mo-tse". (This is the "discovery" of notorious Joseph Needham.) Although this lies are refuted far more than once, many C.h____e.s.e is still selling these fairytales. The reason of this is very simple. C.h____e.s.e people are narrow-minded, and they only want to hear people flattering them. Fabricating "glorious history" makes these scholars popular, and they can earn more from this. So they are glad to do this repeatedly.

 

When comparing contemporaneous Greek Culture, Hindu Culture, Persian Culture and C.h____e.s.e Culture, we can find that C.h____e.s.e thoughts are inferior in many aspects, including numbers of genres, profundity of thoughts, and rigorousness in logic.

 

There is a fact that proves which are superior and which are inferior. Greek Culture profoundly influenced Hindu Culture, and Hindu Culture profoundly influenced C.h____e.s.e Culture in turn. This influence is unilateral, that is from Greece to India to C.h.i.n.a. So we can immediately know which is superior and which is inferior.

 

The fact is that, due to the poorness of ancient C.h____e.s.e thought, there is little room for it to develop. As we expected, the history has shown that, for 2000 years, no one could get rid of the stale ones and bring forth the fresh ones in C.h____e.s.e Culture. What people did was just reshaping its appearance. But that made it even worse instead of better.

 

One may ask, "How about Taoist school and Mohist School? Do they have desirable elements?" Apparently, Taoist school contends living naturally and f-r-e-e-d-o-m of mind and body. It seems conform humanity. Mohist School contends kindheartedness, which seems also humanistic. In the beginning of their naissances, they both showed a few good elements. But they both uphold a-u-t-o-c-r-a-c-y from the beginning, and both contend o-b-s-c-u-r-a-n-t-i-s-m. There is no difference between Co.n.f.u.c.i.a.nism and these two ones. The only difference is the means to practice the bad policies. This is entirely different from Ancient Greek, where people can abolish the kings if they didn't like them. Needless to say the general e.l.e.c.t.i.o.n at that time.

 

Later, Mohist School was abandoned, because r-u-l-e-r-s cannot utilize its populace viewpoint. The Taoist school advocates a philosophy of evading the secular world, oppressing human instinct to pursuing happiness. This make the anti-humanity tendency an instinct, so Taoist school became the accomplice of the anti-humanity culture in general. Besides, the mystic elements in Taoist school make it the root of the superstitions with C.h____e.s.e characteristic.

 

As to the Legalism (fa jia), it is famous for its contending brutal penalties. In fact, Legalism is the real core of C.h____e.s.e Culture. It is said that the appearance of C.h____e.s.e Culture is Confucian and internal side of it is Legalist. This is the content of C.h____e.s.e history. Hypocritical Co.n.f.u.c.i.a.nism and ruthless Legalism combine flawlessly. Legalism determines the violent aspect, the main feature, of C.h____e.s.e Culture,

 

Ancient India and some other ancient cultures brought some thoughts about non-violence. In C.h.i.n.a, only Mohism has similar thoughts, which cannot be even counted as genuine thought of non-violence. But it declined soon after its first appearance. This is the proof of pro-violence of C.h____e.s.e Culture.

 

Generally speaking, the so-called C.h____e.s.e Culture is as follow: as a kind of mode of thinking, it is the irrational, anti-rational, obscurant manner of thinking. As a kind of mode of action, a life style, it is the most degenerate, most depraved culture of lackeys, culture of eunuchs, culture of hypocrites; it is the life style of lackeys, the life style of eunuchs, the life style of hypocrites.

 

Trapped in this anti-humanity culture, people who pursue f-r-e-e-d-o-m, who think independently are all eliminated. Only the meanest, the most impudent ones survive, who are the survivals after undergoing a kind of reversed elimination, who survive by believing and practicing the philosophy of lackeys, the philosophy of eunuchs, the philosophy of hypocrites.

 

Some people may ask, "Do W-e-s-t-e-r-n Culture and other cultures really have no merit?" Of course they have faults. But the key point is that, in W-e-s-t-e-r-n Culture the question of the quantities of merits and faults is the "more or less" one, but in C.h____e.s.e Culture it is the question of "exist or not exist". So W-e-s-t-e-r-n Culture can evolve and becomes more and more humanistic, while C.h____e.s.e Culture never do.

 

When confronting W-e-s-t-e-r-n Culture, many C.h____e.s.e people have the wrong idea: why you succeed while I do not? --- You must be lucky while I'm not.

 

There is a more stupid idea: You W-e-s-t-e-r-n people stole our achievements. That's the reason why you succeed. (Such as the fairytale of "Four Great Inventions of Ancient C.h.i.n.a," or "Football was invented by C.h____e.s.e.")

 

But these foolish ideas are absurd. The success of W-e-s-t-e-r-n Culture is not entirely the result of good luck. Yes, it is lucky, because it contains good ideas from the beginning, and it becomes more and more refined. This is a kind of good luck.

 

As the evolutionism point out, human being qua supreme being is not the inevitable result of evolution. We exist by chance. When many necessary conditions coexist by chance, then humans occur. So is the fact that W-e-s-t-e-r-n Culture becomes the modern culture while others do not.

 

We, C.h____e.s.e, should understand this point. Do not fabricate some "scientific achievement of ancient C.h.i.n.a" to cheat ourselves.

 

In fact, the so-called C.h____e.s.e Culture is the harmful culture that should be eliminated so long ago. But there is an obstacle which prevent us from pursuing f-r-e-e-d-o-m and happiness and abandoning bad cultures. Many people think that the tradition should be naturally inherited. The more enlightened idea is no more than asking people to inherit good elements of a culture. But there are many traditions. W-e-s-t-e-r-n tradition is a kind of tradition too. I think that's the tradition that we should inherit. According to Mitochondrial Eve Theory, we are all the offsprings of a group of prehistoric African people, and we are all relatives. C.h____e.s.e people came to C.h.i.n.a about 10000 years ago. Their civilization appeared in 1500 BC. It's just a short moment when comparing to the lengthy human history. And C.h____e.s.e Culture was directly introduced from Central Asia, whose cultures were in turn introduced from the Mediterraneans
       
         So if we must inherit some traditions, we should inherit more age-old traditions. 5000 years ago, we C.h____e.s.e were not different from W-e-s-t-e-r-n people. We have no tumors such as I Ching, Co.n.f.u.c.i.a.nism, Taoism, and Legalism then. We just have walked in a roundabout way since 3500 years ago. It is the time for us to come back to the right way. In ancient times, C.h.i.n.a was geographically occlusive; no advanced i.d.e.o.l.o.g.y influenced C.h.i.n.a.  Mechanically dynastic changes were the only evolution of the society. Now confronting with the excellent W-e-s-t-e-r-n Culture, that culture is entirely defeated. Abandoning it is the advisable choice.




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Monday, June 20, 2005 - 8:15pmSanction this postReply
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femino,

Welcome to SOLO.  Before I respond, I must ask you if it's necessary for those of not in China to use the secret s.p.e.l.l.i.n.g?  We want to be sensitive to your unique situation. 

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Monday, June 20, 2005 - 8:37pmSanction this postReply
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How would this site even make it through the filters? (I know the article is only about MSN spaces, but the question is still valid)



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Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 11:23pmSanction this postReply
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Dear Moderates:
  
     You may correct these deformed words. In fact I really don't kow whether this works. Because this is another language. Maybe I'm too sensitive. But in my homeland network this kind of processes work.




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Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 11:31pmSanction this postReply
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Dear Sarah House:

    Objectivism and SOLOHQ are not so famous in our country. And this site is not in our language. What they fear are sites used my native tongue and famous foreign sites. Not all foreign sites are filt-ered.





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Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 11:55amSanction this postReply
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Huan yíng dào SOLO, femino. Ni hào ma?

Hope you're free as can be amidst the oppression. Have you any friend outside C_h_ina with broadband access? Maybe they can install Cir_cum_ven_tor so you can bypass the Great Firewall.

Many aspects of C_h_inese culture do inhibit individual growth. The emphases on conformity, paternalism, and obedience are probably the most damaging, since these make eradicating enculcated Mar_xist thought all the more difficult.

Do you see the Com_m__u_nist P_a__rt_y being over_thrown in the foreseeable future? I think they show themselves as strong, but really they're just as weak as the former So_vie_ts of Russia. Increasing contact with Western cultures will inevitably doom the P_a__rt_y to obsolecense. The problem is, will the transition be peaceful or bloody? C_h_ina does have a history of very bloody re_volutions.

Bao zhong.

[In case I got my pinyin so mangled that I cursed somebody's mother, I preemptively apologize.]



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Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 8:16pmSanction this postReply
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I wouldn’t call Chinese culture in general “anti-humanity”. Yes, it certainly does not promote individualism, and it is overly duty and loyalty bound. This tendency has its historical root. Because in the largely agricultural society of China, individual could not prosper by himself, the strong sense of family and community in Chinese people has a lot to do with this fact.

 
This assay does read like an excellent translation of something from Mainland China, which is usually characterized by superficial over generalization, lack of specifics, full of labels and dubious “facts”. For example, what exactly the author mean by “Western Culture”? The ancient Greek or Roman culture? The Christian culture? The Renaissance? Enlightenment? Also the suggestions in the last two paragraphs are simply absurd.

(Edited by Hong Zhang on 6/24, 6:56am)




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Friday, June 24, 2005 - 8:17amSanction this postReply
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num++, your post 5 above was hilarious!

Ed



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Monday, June 27, 2005 - 3:12amSanction this postReply
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num++: thank you for your wen4hou4, I have no friend outside center country. Wo3 he2 ren4he2 zhu4ming2 ren2shi4 dou1 mei2you3 guan1xi4. Wo3 ye3 bu4 zhi3wang4 kan4dao4 CeePeeCee bei4 tui1fan1 de na4yi4tian1.



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Femino, you're welcome. Yes, someday... the Par_ty will be over_thrown.

Hong, I think what femino meant by "Chi_nese culture" is the combination of Confucian and Mao_ist ideology that pervades the mainland. Judging from the work of RJ Rummel (femino, read this), it really is “anti-humanity” - second only to So_viet Rus_sia in the extent of mass mur_der. Rummel's research stops at 1987(?), no doubt there have been additional victims since then.

Most likely the confusing overgeneralizations are a legacy of centralized state education. I find it remarkable that femino even got to know objectivism at all; a noteworthy achievement in itself.

Ed, thanks for appreciating the humor. Humor is much needed here... Chi_nese aut_horities are known to make examples of those caught expressing unfavorable opinions of the state.



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    Ayn Rand is not so well-known in C()h()i()n()a. Maybe this is because her way of advocating her philosophy is too U.S-centered.(As many articles manifest here). But I think this is a good thing. This makes some of Rand's works even evade the c[-]e[-]n[-]s{-}o{-}r(-)s[-]h[-]i{-}p, and they are successfully published in C()h[]i{}n<>a. These books are Voice of Reason, the Ayn Rand Column, and For the New Intellectual. But I don't have enough time to read these books carefully. It is said that The Virtue of Selfishness also has a C{}h[]<i>n<e>s{}e version, but I haven't got that.

     As to the overgeneralizations, I think this is the evidence of non-existence of genuine philosophy in C<>h<>i<n>a. Anyhow, I live in this coun_try.




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Femino, do you actually have those three books - VOR, ARC, FNI - have you actually seen them in c/h()in//e$se?

I had never heard that they existed in that language, and am wondering if it only a rumor. If not it is very exciting.

But what is odd, is that she is most loved as a novelist...and your list contains no fiction. Anthem is supposed to have been translated, but I'm not sure in which of the two domestic languages...M//a()n*d//a//r-in or C*a^n$t_o+n&s#e.




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Femino.

I have heard that "the one child policy" of population control has created a generation (now at adulthood) that has been raised  by doting parents and grandparents to be as young emperors and young empresses.  These self-absorbed citizens, of which  even you may be one, have not been socialized to communistic ideals. 

Some lament the fact that these prized young think only of themselves; and lack collectivism.  Is this the way that Communism is going to be defeated?

It seems to me; that the "one child policy" may be the catalyst that creates the mind-set that brought you to Objectivism.  With a critical mass of independent thinkers who have benefited too, from their parent's decisions to give their children an education in the English language, such a change may be just around the corner.     

 If so, how can we help you?
Sharon




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Philip Coates,
   I do have these books. VOR and FNI are published by "New Star Publisher", ARC are published by "G-u-a-n-g-x-i Normal University Press". I don't know how they were introduced. (Maybe pirated, but I don't think so, because their appearances are very delicate.) And the title of "The Virtue of Selfishness" has been under the disguise of a new title "New Individualist Ethics". There are no Ayn Rand's fictions published here. I found that many translators don't know the exact meaning of the two words "Atlas Shrugged", nor do I.




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Sunday, July 3, 2005 - 4:12amSanction this postReply
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Sharon Romagnoli Macdonald.

 

        Not all singleton children are young emperors/empresses. Parents of course love their only children, but not necessarily dote on them. I am the only child of my family, but my parents educate me very well. They told me what should be done and what should not. We all lead thrifty lives.

 

        Domestic education is just one source of children's knowledge. Schools are more important. In C(+)h(+)i(+)n(+)a, when they go to school for the first time, children will be taught with "si_xi_ang zh_en_gzh_i". (I don't know how to translate this term, maybe "ide_olo_gi_cal education".) Since then they are indoct_rinated with soc{i}a{l}i{z}ed  and  co_m_m+u+ni=stic  ideals. In my coun_try, these disg_usting "i_de[o]_log_i_cal education" can never be got rid of. Even the master's degree entrance examinations also include "si_xi_ang zh_en_gzh_i". Because the schools are ideologized badly, children automatically regard things in the light of M_a_r_x_i_s=m. In fact, C//h\\i||n+e*s{}e students are very fanatic. Because M_a_r_x_i_s=m says that capitalism is very bad, and US is the representative of capitalism, US is the worst. The wrong ideas brought by M_a_r_x_i_s=m are not easily eliminated, unless you can get correct ideas from other resources when you are young. Because they can't get correct ideas easily, I don't anticipate our children would not been so-cia=liz\ed  and  co\m\m\u\ni\st\ic. In fact, I was once very fanatic as my schoolmates, until I could listen to Vo-I=c=e of A-meri____ or Bee   Bee    Cee and judge things by myself.

 

The overselfishness of Ch______   people is due to the Ch____ culture. In the C//u//lt//ur//al  R/e[v]o[l]u[t]I[o]n, in order not to be  p{e}r{}s[]e[]c[]u[]t[]ed, many people fabricated "facts" which made innocent people s(c)(a)p(e)g(o)(a)ts. Many fabricators still proclaimed themselves co_lle_cti_vi_sts and c_o_m_m_u_n_is_ts without any regret. You can read Post 0 in this regard. 

 

English is hard to learn. I don't think many students would readily read English texts. As to me, knowing there is a philosophy of Objectivism is the great consolation.




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Femino,

Thanks for the perspective of the "singleton policy".

Could I ask you to tell us your earliest recollection of realizing that communism was anti-human; and how that experience grabbed you so compellingly?

I have a notion that Rand disreguarded early recollections; but I am coming to think they have later implications in the decisions one makes. I'm not talking about the experience itself; merely ONE'S OWN MEMORY OF THE EVENT.

At one time I DID think that communism was valid; but have since found it to be false.

I think that your experiences could be quite instructive for us all.

Thank you for sharing

Sharon 




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"Atlas Shrugged" is a metaphor for this situation:
You work to achieve a goal. You are succeeding in producing something that would lead to your goal. Unfortunately others are taking what you produce away from you, effectively nullifying your work. Your goal is now impossible to reach.

So what do you do in this situation?



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Hi femino,

It's not surprising people in your country wouldn't know what "Atlas Shrugged" refers to, because the referent is a metaphorical one to Ancient Greece. And I would be *very* surprising if the very Western subjects of Greek history or mythology are taught anywhere in C/h$i()na*.

Atlas in Greek mythology is the Greek giant who is punished by the gods for having disobeyed or gone to war with them (I forget which or maybe the myths vary on this.) His punishment is to carry the crushing burden of holding the world on his shoulders . . . through all eternity.

So Rand thought, what if productive men, heroic men, property owners were like Atlas? Condemned forever by their rulers to carry a crushing burden (taxes, expropriation, corruption, etc.) till it bore down ever heavier, like the whole earth. And blood was running down their shoulders. And their knees were buckling like the giant subjected to cruel, crushing, and unjust punishment.

What would you tell them to do? To shrug Rand says (to shrug the shoulders) so that the earth goes crashing off. And they are free.

Hence the book title. It's a tale of when men who ought to have been released from chains and bondage shrug and release themselves.

Phil
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The Ancient Greek Mythology HAS been translated into Chinese long before and becomes available in mainland after the Culture Revolution, at least in abridged form. I had read it along with the stories from the Old Testament when I was in China in the 80s. You might know that Promethues is the favorite Greek God for the Communists. But I admit it took me a while to translate back the Chinese names of those Gods to their English ones!

As for what would happen if Atlas shrugged, well, in China, by the end of the Culture Revolution, all the Atlas WERE in fact KILLED off after 30 years of purge and persecution. It was the Twentieth Century Motor Company for 30 years and for a whole country. That's what I felt when reading AS. And it was done with brutal force and killings of millions. The result was, that the whole country lived in the dark age for all those years, almost completely cut off from the outside world. No, the sky would not crash, and people would live.

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Ah, those obligatory "si_xiang zheng_zhi" classes - Mao Tsedong Thoughts, Marx's theory of Natural History, History of Chinese Communism, History of International Communism, Political Economics, Historical Materialism, Natural Dialectic...etc., etc. They were excruciating but we had to pass the exams every semester...

I didn't know these classes are still so prevalent today in China's schools. I thought they must be water downed quite a bit. From the transcripts I've seen of Chinese university students, there are courses titled "Deng Xiaoping Theory", and "Socialism with unique Chinese characters", or something like that.

Some students even send certificate for being selected "Outstanding Communist Youth League Member" to our admission committee as Honors and Awards received!!!




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