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Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 10:36amSanction this postReply
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In april of 1997, two drivers on the George Memorial Parkway in McLean ,Virginia, started chasing each other after the first driver cut off the second. They reached speeds of over 80mph while cussing at each other. The two driver lost control of their vehicles
crossed a median, and slammed into two oncoming vehicles, killing three people.
The wreckage was unbelievable, the scene was  horrifying.
Narkey Terry, the only survivor of the deadly altercation was sentenced to more than
ten years in prison for his role in the seven mile chase.
Control of anger is called good temper, that is temperance in regard to the emotion
of anger.Feeling anger or indulging in our anger is a pleasurable thing, it is a pleasurable feeling of release that which is hard or painful to control.
Anger is a form of pleasure that properly fits in the category of temperance.
Anger is one of the most difficult  emotion to control.
This is what Aristotle says about anger" The man who is angry at the things and with the right people ,and, further,as he ought,when he ought,and as long as he ought, is praised"




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Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 4:34pmSanction this postReply
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   Among his many thoughts on anger, Marcus Aurelius wrote:

[Eighth,] consider how much more pain is brought on us by the anger and vexation caused by such acts than by the acts themselves, at which we are angry and vexed  -- M. Aurelius
 
Anger has its place.  It can be a powerful motivating force.  But, of all the times that I can remember when I've acted in anger, I cannot think of a single instance where the emotion itself was anything but a hindrance.  Anger dilutes logic and reason, and causes one to act precipitously rather than deliberately.
 
Being spurred to action by anger is fine.  Allowing anger to dictate one's actions is folly.


(Edited by Summer Serravillo on 9/29, 6:15am)




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Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 6:51pmSanction this postReply
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"Suffering is inevitable, but misery is optional". A corollary quote is "therapy is about learning how to grow from being chronically miserable to merely occasionally unhappy". Rand said pain, for a rational person "only goes so deep", because the rational person doesn't choose to identify their identity with the source of their pain, as some altruistic creeds teach.

Anger, like misery, is a choice to the extent how we attribute the reason we are angry. The irrational angry person attributes the wrong cause for their anger, often attributing blame to others, causing themselves further, unnecessary pain. Just as the miserable person attributes blame to themselves, that should be attributed to other causes, and suffers unnecessarily.

Scott



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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 5:21amSanction this postReply
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Summer,-

Love the Marcus Aurelius jazz. I'm right in there with the Aristotle though. I believe there are two kinds, "hot anger" and "cold anger". The former is kinda what Animal on The Muppet Show does, the latter is like what Batman does. Red flame vs blue flame, both on fire but one is sharper, brighter, more focused and energetic. That makes sense, right?

Cold anger is the one you want. Makes the lights go dim, all obstacles morph into rice paper. Also known as "righteous anger".




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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 7:00amSanction this postReply
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Rick,

"Red flame vs blue flame, both on fire but one is sharper, brighter, more focused and energetic. That makes sense, right?"

I would have said more efficient, rather than more energetic.  But I get your point.   (although, technically, it should be "Blue flame vs. Yellow flame", the former being hotter -- but I like the Red vs. Blue color scheme better ;o) )


"Cold anger is the one you want. Makes the lights go dim, all obstacles morph into rice paper. Also known as 'righteous anger'."

Marcus Aurelius wrote quite a bit about anger and the government of temper, the gist of which is that, while we all become angry, righteousness is more valuable.  Anger gives us the fortitude and tenacity to act morally and righteously, but the emotion itself is of little use -- and perhaps counterproductive -- thereafter.

Personally, though, I think getting a little P.O.'d at the right people and for the right reasons is perfectly fine (as per Aristotle).  But I do try to let go of the emotion before smackin' 'em upside the head.  I find I have better aim that way ;o)

Summer




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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 2:02pmSanction this postReply
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 I'm a rolling thunder, a pouring rain
I'm comin' on like a hurricane
My lightning's flashing across the sky
You're only young but you're gonna die

But I do try to let go of the emotion before smackin' 'em upside the head.  I find I have better aim that way ;o)
Have it your own way. Arguing with a woman about her anger is a losers game.
technically, it should be "Blue flame vs. Yellow flame", the former being hotter
You sure about that? We always had blue flame on the high school bunsen burners....and the colour blue is higher frequency because starlight frequency subtracted from is said to be red shifted whereas the contrary is blue shifted. I've always thought this (blue means more energy) I don't want my analogies derailed!



 




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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 4:30pmSanction this postReply
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You sure about that? We always had blue flame on the high school bunsen burners....and the colour blue is higher frequency because starlight frequency subtracted from is said to be red shifted whereas the contrary is blue shifted. I've always thought this (blue means more energy) I don't want my analogies derailed!

Yep, I'm sure.  A blue flame results from complete (lean) combustion, whereas a yellow flame is generally the result of a rich fuel/air mixture.  If you were to measure the temperature of the flame from a BiC lighter, you'd find that the blue part (furthest from the fuel nozzle) was hotter than the yellow cone-shaped part (closest to the nozzle).

I know this 'cause I once designed a combustor for a small gas-turbine engine that was being built by some pilot friends in their garage.  Their initial combustor design (if one could call it that) was thoroughly inefficient, as it allowed the atomized fuel to collect and recondense in the flame cup. It also had no diffuser section to speak of, so the compressed air was entering the combustor at far too great a speed.  My design created a vortex in the diffuser section, allowing the atomized fuel more time to evaporate before slowing and entering the combustor itself (thereby creating a much denser mixture and a higher pressure in the combustor).  And my flame holder was conical, solid in the center with stainless steel mesh around the perimeter, which is where the fuel/air mix would be concentrated due to the vortex created in the diffuser.

In any case, in order to design this, I needed to do a little reading on the subject... and that's how I know that a blue flame is generally hotter than a yellow flame.

*sigh*  My fingers hurt...

;o)




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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 10:34pmSanction this postReply
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Summer,

"Their initial combustor design (if one could call it that) was thoroughly inefficient, as it allowed the atomized fuel to collect and recondense in the flame cup."

Things could get ugly if enough fuel collected, ignited and the turbine surged.

"It also had no diffuser section to speak of, so the compressed air was entering the combustor at far too great a speed. My design created a vortex in the diffuser section, allowing the atomized fuel more time to evaporate before slowing and entering the combustor itself"

Was this for an RC model aircraft? Few years back I bought Shreckling & Kamps books on model turbojets. Small model engines have that problem, and they use a perforated diffuser to create turbulent mixing.

"(thereby creating a much denser mixture and a higher pressure in the combustor)."

Thought it was the compressor stators that created the high-pressure, and the pressure stayed constant through the diffuser and combuster, up to the turbine and exhaust nozzle.

Your friends ever fly on their jet? Haven't checked out any jet-builders web pages lately.

Scott



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Friday, September 30, 2005 - 3:59amSanction this postReply
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  Scott,

Was this for an RC model aircraft?

No, it was just some little project my friends were working on.  The engine used a single-stage, centrifugal compressor from a truck turbocharger (I think).  It was never meant to fly;  just to play with. ;o)

Thought it was the compressor stators that created the high-pressure, and the pressure stayed constant through the diffuser and combuster, up to the turbine and exhaust nozzle.

Yes, if the compressor is designed for a gas turbine.  Even still, the air needs to be slowed down considerably to convert speed into pressure.  I did this using large swirl vanes in the diffuser (to create a vortex) and stator vanes around the perimeter of the conical flame holder.  Theory being that the stator vanes would interrupt the vortex and the pressure would increase as a result.  Seemed to work very well.  BTW, I got the idea for the diffuser from a chat with a man named Bill Brooks, who invented the pulsed-detonation engine (not a pulse-jet). 
 
The engine worked very well, once they got all the kinks worked out of it (fuel pump problems, oil pump issues, et cetera).  But they did end up severely burning the turbine and decided it was too risky to continue with the project. As far as I know, that's where it all ended.
 
Summer

Post Scriptum:  Here's a link to a diagram of my design (I just did it quick this morning, so it's really rough.  But it should give you the general idea).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v611/SSerravillo/Combustor.jpg

(Edited by Summer Serravillo on 9/30, 5:23am)




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Friday, September 30, 2005 - 2:23pmSanction this postReply
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"The engine used a single-stage, centrifugal compressor from a truck turbocharger (I think)"

The Kamps compressor was made from a turbo-charger too. Shreckling made his (first) compressor from plywood, reinforced with carbon-fiber. He said plywood was safer than aluminum at 120,000 RPM if/when the engine CATO'd.

"Theory being that the stator vanes would interrupt the vortex and the pressure would increase as a result. Seemed to work very well."

That's what counts.

"BTW, I got the idea for the diffuser from a chat with a man named Bill Brooks, who invented the pulsed-detonation engine (not a pulse-jet)."

I looked at some PDE web sites, but for another purpose - an acoustic-soliton shock-wave gun to destroy malevolent pumpkins. To make the shock-tube of reasonable size, I need to use pure oxygen. The combustion cell-size and activation energy for air-fuel mixtures isn't good for compact devices.

I've seen some clever designs for PDE initiators. But they use enriched oxygen. I stalled on the H202 generator. Enriched H202 is treacherous stuff. A pumpkin-popper should be handheld, or shoulder-slung. Not 3 meters long.

"But they did end up severely burning the turbine and decided it was too risky to continue with the project."

Can't say I'm surprized. Those engines push the envelope, and in the case of aircraft, you can't afford much shielding due to weight constraints. Amatures don't have the money for the x-ray or ultra-sound and other quality-control necessary to feel safe around.

Scott



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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 - 6:04amSanction this postReply
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Scott,

Thought you might find this interesting...

http://www.gas-turbines.com/plans/index.html

(scroll down to "JetSpecs Designer 2.0")

SmS




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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 - 7:33amSanction this postReply
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Where I come from we don't call people Summer, Summer,-
You sure about that?
Yep, I'm sure
No, not that. Of course I know that.

But I get what you mean now. You're telling me there is a logical disjunction with hot anger being red and cold anger being blue. Likewise, 'revenge is a dish best served cold' is a disjunction where that vengeance is more potentiated and efficient than an ad hoc out-lash (and ain't it always?).

Good call. But I find this poetic malfunction troubling. Must be a way around it...




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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 - 4:39pmSanction this postReply
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Rick,

        *blank stare*

Summer

P.S.   *blank stare*




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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 - 4:52pmSanction this postReply
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Rick,

        *blank stare*

Summer

P.S.   *blank stare*
Ditto those *blank stare*'s(both of them)




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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 - 6:13pmSanction this postReply
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Lapse into my own secret language did I? You have to tell me if I do that, it all looks the same to me.

I'm sayin', I know blue is hotter than yellow and orange flame. I thought you were telling me otherwise, but no.

Two things: Calm deliberate anger (like Batman's) and impulsive lashing out (like Animal on the muppet show).

The former, Batman anger, is the more powerful- more energetic, there's literally more heat in it than the wild and crazy red-faced Animal tantrum.

As for poetry, it sounds right pretty to call Batman's anger 'a dish best served cold'- cold anger, but Animal's anger a 'hot anger'. Though it sounds pretty in poetry we deem it to be the other way around in thermodynamics.

Batman is a blue flame of anger, Animal is a red flame of anger. Poetry? Check. Thermodynamics? Check!

Batman is cold, Animal is hot. Poetry? Check. Thermodynamics? System failure! Disjunction! Sounds pretty to the ear but the truth is that the heat of Batman's passion is much greater than Animal's. So we have poetic malfunction.

And then you say "Yes, I know exactly what you mean. I saw that too."





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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 - 6:15pmSanction this postReply
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No chance, really, y'all gonna Be'Giles'ed...



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Thursday, October 6, 2005 - 4:30amSanction this postReply
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 Rick,

"Two things: Calm deliberate anger (like Batman's) and impulsive lashing out (like Animal on the muppet show).

The former, Batman anger, is the more powerful- more energetic, there's literally more heat in it than the wild and crazy red-faced Animal tantrum."

Having only the most superficial familiarity with Batman and the Muppets, I'll have to take your word on this.


"Batman is cold, Animal is hot. Poetry? Check. Thermodynamics? System failure! Disjunction! Sounds pretty to the ear but the truth is that the heat of Batman's passion is much greater than Animal's. So we have poetic malfunction."

Or perhaps a synaptic malfunction, as I'm still struggling to get your meaning.  Perhaps I'm just too left-brained.


"And then you say 'Yes, I know exactly what you mean. I saw that too.' "

Your wish is my command...

Summer

(Edited by Summer Serravillo on 10/06, 5:50am)




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Thursday, October 6, 2005 - 7:32pmSanction this postReply
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It's not rocket science....and that's the problem!?

Having only the most superficial familiarity with Batman and the Muppets, I'll have to take your word on this.

Look at me, I'm hot anger Look at me, I'm cold anger You can build warp engines or whateverthehell without being down with the icons of our culture? Unfathomable.
"And then you say 'Yes, I know exactly what you mean. I saw that too.' "

Your wish is my command...
Good answer Ms Left-brain. That's what saves you from a level 1 Rickxplaination which would have involved poetry.




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Friday, October 7, 2005 - 5:58amSanction this postReply
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Rick,

I don't know if you've ever read the Dune books, but I'd bet anything that you'd identify with Gurney Halleck.

Summer




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