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Thursday, April 6, 2006 - 2:23pmSanction this postReply
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The Repugs are too clever. In effect passing a regressive tax on small business and working-class to free the state from its nanny-responsibilities to its dependent children.

Workers will pay for increased health-insurance premiums, and the uninsured will pay fines if they don't caugh up the money.

My and later generations are really going to get screwed when all the baby-boomer bastards retire at our expense (sorry all you fossils out there - its not you I hate as much as the government that pitted my generation against yours).

At least if non-government entities must pay for medical care, the government can't demand hamburger taxes, civil fines for obesity, and manditory excercise programs for those that damage their government-property bodies.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/04/05/news/notes.php

BOSTON Massachusetts legislators have approved the nation's first bill requiring all residents to have health insurance, and Governor Mitt Romney, a Republican, has said he will sign it.

Under the bill, the state would offer subsidies to private insurers for coverage of more low-income families. Companies with more than 10 employees that do not offer health insurance to the workers would pay the state $295 a year for each worker, money that would support the subsidies.


Scott



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Thursday, April 6, 2006 - 2:31pmSanction this postReply
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Doesn't the government look like its becoming one of those cheap, temporary employment agencies that take half your pay, and pimp you out to an employer that doesn't have to give you any benefits?

Much more so with illegal immigrants. Government pays, and multinational corps get the profits, which they kick back to the Dem & Repugs.

Globalism is too clever. The owner-class of nations pimp their workers out to foriegn companies, and just like the Dem & Repugs, blame one another for a diminshing standard of living. Perhaps I'm just a sore loser of the globalist fiat-currency monopoly game.

Anyone see Ron Paul's speech on C-Span yesterday? I thought for sure he'd use the quote about American's not going out in search of monsters regarding Iran. Didn't Thomas Paine write something about "wars being the wealth of nations"? I'll have to look that up. For what history I've read, economics is seldom mentioned.

Scott



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Thursday, April 6, 2006 - 2:46pmSanction this postReply
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This is very close to what Rand describes regarding the state and the mystics of mind & muscle in New Intellectual;

“Taxes were not raised to carry on wars, wars were raised to carry on taxes”

http://www.independent.org/students/garvey/essay.asp?id=1455

In Paine’s view, most warfare was essentially this conflict writ large. In part, war was an attempt by the plundering classes to increase revenue through the conquest of territories containing exploitable productive classes. In addition, it was an attempt by the plundering classes to distract their own productive classes from the abuses of government, for war served to “prevent people from looking into the defects and abuses of government.” Government encouraged national chauvinism because “it will have no excuse for its enormous revenue and taxation, except it can prove that, somewhere or another, it has enemies.” Most importantly, war was an attempt by the plundering classes to increase taxation in the territories already under their control by creating a crisis in which national humiliation or annihilation might result from resistance to tax increases. Paine asserted that “war is the common harvest of all those who participate in the division and expenditure of public money, in all countries. It is the art of conquering at home: the object of it is an increase of revenue; and as revenue cannot be increased without taxes, a pretense must be made for expenditures.” In other words, “Taxes were not raised to carry on wars, wars were raised to carry on taxes”: The plundering classes who live on taxation promote war to raise revenue.[9]

In contrast to the plundering classes, war harms the productive classes because they “must all pay towards the expense” and gain none of the benefits. Successful wars of conquest do not lessen taxes; on the contrary, society is “taxed to pay for the charge of making them, and has not the same been the case in every war?” The plundering classes may “fatten on the folly of one country and the spoils of another; and, between their plunder and their prey, may go home rich. But the case is very different with the laboring farmer, the working tradesman, and the necessitous poor in England, the sweat of whose brow goes day after day to feed, in prodigality and sloth,” the army that “plunders” the productive classes on all sides of international conflicts.[10]

Paine, therefore, saw war as a system of exploitation. The “predatory classes” used state power to live off the “productive classes,” the multitudes who labor at the base of the social pyramid. States were wedded to “a continual system of war and extortion.”[11] The plundering classes’ thirst for taxation meant that perpetual war was the fate of societies dominated by the state.


9. Rights of Man, ibid., 1:449, 248, 283-84 (emphasis in original).

10. American Crisis #7, ibid., 151; American Crisis #12 (1782), ibid., 225; Rights of Man, ibid., 362.

http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/3742

Scott





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Sunday, April 9, 2006 - 5:37pmSanction this postReply
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If you ask me, it's now time for another Boston Tea Party.

Ed
[and thanks posting this trash, Scott   ;-)]




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Sunday, April 9, 2006 - 6:15pmSanction this postReply
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Trash?!?! I haven't run-off at my foam-soaked keyboard like that in many months.

And BTW, after listening to a few chapters of The Rights of Man, I was struck at the similarities between Paine's views and Rands on religion, politics and economics. Even the vitriolic style is similar, I think.

Paine starts off diplomatic about Burke, but soon is exposes him in a red-hot beam of reason, just as Rand. They both look from prime causes, and exposes logical fallacies. I think the styles are very similar.

Right before coming here I did a search on Rand & Paine, and found this short article:
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth--1210-Thomas_Paines_Influence_on_Ayn_Rand.aspx

It does not appear that Rand formed her views from close prior study of Paine or other American authors. But she did read some works, and she does refer approvingly to the founding fathers in her writings. That she understood their views in essentials may be due to their lasting influence in American culture and discourse, and their presence in secondary literature and even journalistic accounts which she may have read or discussed.

Her only reference to Paine comes from the 1940s, in a letter she wrote to Leonard Read, founder of the Foundation for Economic Education. It is not approving. Rand wrote that Paine was "not one of us" (Letters of Ayn Rand, p. 171), i.e., not a defender of the free market. In this she presumably refers to Paine's embrace of the French Revolution. (In that same letter, she championed Paterson's "The God of the Machine.")


I can't help but believe Rand was either strongly influenced by Paine, or these great minds indeed thought alike.

Scott



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Sunday, April 9, 2006 - 7:04pmSanction this postReply
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Looks like he is working toward being president in 2008.

Yikes!



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Monday, April 10, 2006 - 4:30amSanction this postReply
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Scott, I should have first said: thanks for 'exposing' this ugliness.

Ed
[to avoid the inherent ambiguity of the phrase 'posting this trash']




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Monday, April 10, 2006 - 3:49pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks for reading. Rand would dissapprove, but this is my "therapy". I doubt a "Tea Party", perhaps sinking some un-manned cargo ship, or doing a Roark on an empty UN building would avail. There are plenty of immigrants willing to bow down and lick the government hands that chain them with taxes, in gratitude their new masters are less rapacious than their former.

Reading Paine, it seems America has become as the England he was critical has become:

The funding system is not money; neither is it, properly speaking, credit. It, in effect, creates upon paper the sum which it appears to borrow, and lays on a tax to keep the imaginary capital alive by the payment of interest and sends the annuity to market, to be sold for paper already in circulation.


Barnett in his New Map lectures says something similar. Instead of South American Gold as England to seed the incredible prolific paper, we use petroleum, if I understand right.

I'm looking forward to super-conducting technology to enable compact fusion turbo-jets, and starting the colonies over. Perhaps we'll live to see it.

Scott



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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 3:51pmSanction this postReply
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"Perhaps we'll live to see it."

Do hope so.

Ed




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Wednesday, January 2 - 7:16pmSanction this postReply
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DMG: Looks like he is working toward being president in 2008....Yikes!
Crystal balls Dean?

 




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