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Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 11:45amSanction this postReply
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I joined this site hoping to find more Objectivists but WOW there are so many statists and animal rights wackos it is astounding.  I am posting as Vypuero at:  http://www.prophets-inc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=22

Any one want to get their hands dirty?  Just posted a zinger against the animal rights thread that will probably stir them up.  The statists are also in full force there. 

I got so used to the reasonable people here, even ones I disagree with, I forgot how most people think!  Yikes!




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Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 4:08pmSanction this postReply
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Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 5:51pmSanction this postReply
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I haven't read Goodkind, the cover art alone turns me off. Is there any hard SciFi that I should read? Unless I'm familiar with the author, it seems pointless to join the fray.

Ted



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Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 9:35pmSanction this postReply
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From the forum:

I am re-opening this forum again.

Before I do I have something I want to say.

This is a site for all of Terry's fans. Terry wants it that way. Everyone has a right to come here and particiapte.

Now if you read the new Q and A and philosophy sections, you will see that Terry is not trying to promote his philosophy with his books. It is there because it is part of his life, not because he wants everyone to be an objectivist.

With that said, I know many people like and agree with a lot of the philosophy and want to discuss it.

I have no problem with this.

My problem is the way it is approached.

I expect everyone who uses this site to be polite and show a certain level of respect when posting. If you feel you can not do this, then do not post.

Religous people. This is not the site for you to come and try to bash and disprove objectivism.

O'ist and reasonists. This is not a place for you to bash the religious. There is more to objectivism then whethere or not there is a god.

You all will discuss things politely or not at all.

I have spoken to Terry about this. While he has his beliefs, he has no problem with religious people having theirs. He has a lot of fans that are deeply religious and still love his books.

He has a very good friend who is religious. They have had many long discusions on the topic. Not once has Terry every talked down to him or called him brainwashed.

Terry and I both feel that when posting in topics that can be controversial, that everyone should post politely and with respect. If you do, there will not be an problems.

So there it is. (Zedd, "First Wizard")
(Bad grammar and spelling aside) If this post is true, then it isn't surprising that there is such a mix of differing beliefs and philosophies on the forum. I briefly perused a thread in which an incredulous poster basically asks how anyone can read Goodkind and still believe socialism is the answer? As he puts it:
 
 
For me I find myself reading FotF and saying how the heck can anyone be a socialist after reading this book. How is it that they can disconnect the truths in the book from the real world so easily.
 
Another poster responds:

"This is it. It is easy to recognize that what is portrayed in the books is not the truth, so there is no need to disconnect from reality."
 I haven't read Goodkind yet (I was planning to; someone on this site had recommended him to me previously) so I can't join you in the fray, so to speak. But good luck trying to find other O'ists on that forum, Kurt. It seems that many of his fans dismiss all of the ideas in his stories as harmless, enjoyable fantasy, even the concepts that are based in reason...and that Mr. Goodkind doesn't seem to mind this. 
 
 
Erica
 
BTW, Kurt:
 
Can you recommend what book of his I should read first?. (I have Ted's recommendations for reading Heinlein, I need one for Goodkind now.)
 
 




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Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 10:25pmSanction this postReply
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Erica, if you're not in the midst of any other narrative, you need to read Mists of Avalon now! I'll ship you a used copy.

Please Kurt, and others, do tell. And are all Goodkind's books fantasy? I am afraid that Tolkien has ruined most other "soft" fantasy writers for me.

Ted



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Friday, July 20, 2007 - 12:55amSanction this postReply
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Hi, Ted.

Thanks for the offer, but I was actually going to buy books this weekend. (I actually have all of the Heinlein titles you recommended, as well as Mists, in my shopping cart at Amazon, but I'm thinking now that I'll physically go to a bookstore and pick them up...(sometimes I'm too impatient to wait for shipping.)

I'm not currently in the midst of any other narrative right now; I was going to reread Atlas Shrugged, but I haven't started yet. Why do you think should I read Mists first? (I was actually thinking of tackling the Heinlein list first.)


Erica




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Friday, July 20, 2007 - 1:38amSanction this postReply
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Mists will take you at least a week or two, none of Heinlein's should take more than three days. If you were thinking long, fulfilling and artistic, read Mists first.

Heinlein's works do fall into series, so you want to make sure that you start with one of the stand alone works first. The best of these would be:

Friday
Moon is a Harsh Mistress
Farnham's Freehold
Stranger in a Strange Land
Fear no Evil

The characters in Mistress show up in another series, which includes:

Revolt in 2100
Number of The Beast
Time Enough for Love
Cat Who Walks through Walls
Sail Beyond the Sunset

these books all deal with Lazarus Long & his family and should be read in order of publication.

Finally, good earlier works include:
Citizen of the Galaxy (j)
Starship Troopers (j)
The Puppet Masters
Tunnel in the Sky (j)
Door into Summer
Red Planet (j)

(j)-Juvenile, meaning young characters but still adult level quality reading.

If you don't mind buying used or overstock, you can mail order from powells.com, the largest overstock/used dealer in the country and they give excellent bulk shipping rates. I only use amazon when powells doesn't have what I want.

Have Fun.

I'd also sugest (as if I haven't before) these masterworks:

Canticle for Leibowitz - Walter M Miller
White Plague - Frank Herbert
Mote in God's Eye - Larry Niven

I can also recommend Greg Bear's two double features:
Darwin's Radio; Darwin's Children
Forge of God; Anvil of the Stars


Oh, And I've just read Michael Crichton's, in order of preference:

State of Fear
Prey
Timeline

And non-fiction I recommend:

Animals in Tranlsation - Temple Grandin
Anthropologist on Mars - Oliver Sacks
God is Not Great - Hitchens (more fun than deep)

Ted Keer


(Edited by Ted Keer
on 7/20, 2:46am)




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Friday, July 20, 2007 - 7:24amSanction this postReply
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He has one series so all the books are related and in order, it is the Sword of Truth series.  It starts out with "Wizard's First Rule" and is sort of standardish fantasy but it has an element of philosophy in it.  So, just read them in order.  They are very readable and pretty action-packed.  However, he begins to get more Objectivist as it goes along.

The bad guy starts out as traditional bad dude, but later we get more interesting people who base their evil on altruism.  It gets very interesting, really.




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