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Sunday, August 5, 2007 - 9:01pmSanction this postReply
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Christopher Hitchens links of Interest

I'm starting this thread as a place to post quotes, links, and various other items of interest regarding one of todays most literate defenders of reason and classical liberalism.

Hitchens has a webpage dedicated to all known writing and media appearances where he is either the speaker or the subject of discussion:

Christopher Hitchens Web.

Fighting Words

is his column for Slate magazine, with weekly contributions and occasional suplimental essays when the news justifies comment. Click on the blue headlines on that page to read his comments.

I request that people keep off-topic debates here to a minimum, and focus on providing links and brief commentaries.

Ted Keer

(Edited by Ted Keer on 8/06, 3:14pm)




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Sunday, August 5, 2007 - 9:22pmSanction this postReply
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From Slate, 30 July, 2007, Christopher Hitchens' God Fearing People


"Before me is a recent report that a student at Pace University in New York City has been arrested for a hate crime in consequence of an alleged dumping of the Quran. Nothing repels me more than the burning or desecration of books, and if, for example, this was a volume from a public or university library, I would hope that its mistreatment would constitute a misdemeanor at the very least. But if I choose to spit on a copy of the writings of Ayn Rand or Karl Marx or James Joyce, that is entirely my business. When I check into a hotel room and send my free and unsolicited copy of the Gideon Bible or the Book of Mormon spinning out of the window, I infringe no law, except perhaps the one concerning litter. Why do we not make this distinction in the case of the Quran? We do so simply out of fear, and because the fanatical believers in that particular holy book have proved time and again that they mean business when it comes to intimidation. Surely that should be to their discredit rather than their credit. Should not the "moderate" imams of On Faith have been asked in direct terms whether they are, or are not, negotiating with a gun on the table?"

Note the good press for a certain author! Please follow the link and read the comment in full.

Ted Keer

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Monday, August 6, 2007 - 9:16amSanction this postReply
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Hitch is excellent! We'll have to have him again at one of our events.

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Monday, August 6, 2007 - 12:13pmSanction this postReply
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Just be careful you don't allow any tolerationism!

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Monday, August 6, 2007 - 12:19pmSanction this postReply
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Ted,

We wouldn't tolerate it.

--RJB



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Monday, August 6, 2007 - 2:57pmSanction this postReply
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I thought Hitchens was a Marxist? I'm assuming he's changed his mind?



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Monday, August 6, 2007 - 3:13pmSanction this postReply
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Hitchens first came to my attention as something more than just a talking head when he commented on the CBS "document" regarding GWB's discharge from the air national guard.

From austinbay.net/blog/:

"UPDATE: A reader says: Christopher Hitchens addressed the forge vs. fake issue by noting that a person making a false 100 dollar bill is guilty of creating a forgery. A person trying to pass a 99 dollar bill, on the other hand, is attempting to pass a fabrication. The CBS documents are fabrications, created not as copies of genuine documents but as entirely new documents based on nothing.

MY NOTE: Thanks. There is indeed a semantic difference. CBS defenders, such as they are, may be leveraging the difference between forgery and fake, as commenters have suggested. The forgery argument reinforces the fake but authentic pitch suggesting genuine documents with similar information once existed (though they cannot prove this). The comments of the Air Guard unit secretary who told CBS that the information in the faked memos was in line (paraphrase) with what she remembered about Bush's service would be first-person evidence that such documents could have existed. But that's a weak case even at a DNC cocktail party."

Hitchens' point is a very subtle and astute bit of epistemology. Had someone handed Dan Rather a $100 bill, one might assume that Rather was honestly duped. But the document handed him was so blatantly unreal, that only wishful thinking and intentional blindness to an impossibility could have led him to accept it. Only someone who wants to be fooled accepts a $99 bill. At the time, very few people understood the point that Hitchens was trying to make, but to me it was like a bucket of cold water. I immediately went out and bought his books, and I am not aware of any sharper political commentator (no offense to any on this forum!) alive today.

Ted Keer

John, he was a Trotskyite, but no longer so describes himself so far as I am aware.

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 - 8:31pmSanction this postReply
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In his review of The Grub Street Years Hitchens refers to Marx as "a writer whom I perhaps too naively admired."



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Wednesday, August 8, 2007 - 9:35pmSanction this postReply
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Christopher Hitchens on the Essential Stupidity of Religion

From L.A. Weekly

By DWAYNE BOOTH
Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 6:00 pm

He appears equally capable of pissing into your grandmother’s fish tank and beating you at chess: the quasi-omniscient Johnny Rotten of political journo-intellectualism, looking as if he were assembled hastily by sausage makers hoping to fill a suit with all the succulent impropriety of vitriolic yet delectable meats. A man well aware that the shortest distance (and least interesting path) between birth and death is a very straight line, he has the reputation of someone prone to the rich experiences offered by staggering. But contrary to the corroborating promises all but guaranteed by the YouTube versions of himself, Christopher Hitchens was not an as-advertised fucking dickhead asshole bully, much to my dismay...Read More




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Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:44pmSanction this postReply
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Hairsplitting Leftists Deny that Al Qaida is Al Qaida

From Hitchens' "Fighting Words" in Slate

"Over the past few months, I have been debating Roman Catholics who differ from their Eastern Orthodox brethren on the nature of the Trinity, Protestants who are willing to quarrel bitterly with one another about election and predestination, with Jews who cannot concur about a covenant with God, and with Muslims who harbor bitter disagreements over the discrepant interpretations of the Quran. Arcane as these disputes may seem, and much as I relish seeing the faithful fight among themselves, the believers are models of lucidity when compared to the hair-splitting secularists who cannot accept that al-Qaida in Mesopotamia is a branch of al-Qaida itself."

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Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 8:05amSanction this postReply
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No he's not a marxist, he's a journalist.



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Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 8:17amSanction this postReply
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Hitchens is a tough cookie but my friends and I actually did debate him once.

 

Hitchens: Stop! Who approacheth the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.
Robin: Ask me the questions, Hitchens. I'm not afraid.
Hitchens: What... is your name?
Robin: 'Sir Robin of Camelot'.
Hitchens: What... is your quest?
Robin: To seek the Holy Grail.
Hitchens: What... is the capital of Assyria?
[pause]
Robin: I don't know that! Auuuuuuuugh!
Hitchens: Stop! What... is your name?
Galahad: 'Sir Galahad of Camelot'.
Hitchens: What... is your quest?
Galahad: I seek the Grail.
Hitchens: What... is your favourite colour?
Galahad: Blue. No, yel-- auuuuuuuugh!
Hitchens: Hee hee heh. Stop! What... is your name?
Victor: It is 'Victor', King of the Britons.
Hitchens: What... is your quest?
Victor: To seek the Holy Grail.
Hitchens: What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
Victor: What do you mean? An African or European swallow?
Hitchens: Huh? I-- I don't know that! Auuuuuuuugh!
Bedevere: How do know so much about swallows?
Victor: Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.




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Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 9:21amSanction this postReply
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I find the constant ontological argumant in the media like two people arguing whether a five legged lizard with an orange back and a blue stomach lives on an island 120 miles from the south pole.  It's a riot to listen to because it's obvious nobody has figured it out yet.  It's as bad as the debate about Iraq and WMD's.  Nobody has figured it out yet.  It's as bad as the argument about why he sat in the room for 6 minutes.  Nobody has figured it out yet.  Remember John O'Connor. 



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Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 1:12pmSanction this postReply
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Welcome, Victor!

John Cardinal O'Connor? Is that a question, or a command?

Do you mean "this metaphysical hairsplitting" or "The Ontological Argument" (for the necessity of the existence of God) when you refer to "the constant ontological argumant" [sic] in your third post?

I'll sanction your first remark, it made me laugh, but I assume you realize that to this day many journalists remain neocryptomarxists (sounds like a monster from a mediaeval bestiary, does it not?) while Hitchens is castigated by such for having abandoned their morbid and moribund faith. You get no sanction for the Python reference, having memorized that dialog is not an unusual virtue, but a minimal requirement.

Ted Keer

PS, What is the Etymology of your surname, if I may be so bold?
(Edited by Ted Keer on 8/16, 1:30pm)




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Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 6:41pmSanction this postReply
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Hi Ted,

Nice to meet you.

I'm not a professional philosopher but I am an engineer and love reason. By makng some snyde jokes about Christopher Hitchens, I tweaked your emotions and your irrational mind and that's my point, as human beings we possess irrational parts of our minds or being which allow us to enjoy the good things in life as well as sense fear.

Our sense of fear or evil has allowed us to survive as a human race for hundreds of thousands of years. Hitchens assertion that fundamentalist faiths which threaten us with harm which elicits fear and evil in us is well founded.  Likewise Pope Benedict made those comments last september at Regensburg, Germany to the same respect. Hence we call some religions evil.

I think as philosophers you need to recognize the fact that he is really recognizing how human beings are made, that our human minds are both rational and irrational.  I think we fall into the trap of saying that God is evil or is trying to become an evil dictator in the human race because the more backwards cultures do not accept science and recognize the truth about the human mind.

Although religion may cause alot of evil and irrational behavior, I think our governments and corporations elicit similar behavior.  Likewise our market system is based in our human natures of rational and irrational minded thinking or behavior.

I believe we will make this a better world when we better understand our irrational being.  Irrationality is not the negation of rationality but it is the part or parts of our mind where we cannot reason rationally.

If God is the unconditioned then we cannot assign rational qualities (5 legged, orange back etc) or irrational qualitiies (God cries, God gets mad etc.)

John O'Connor is the former FBI agent who died in the WTC. 

The surname is Sicilian, I look like Tony Soprano.  "Hey Carmela, none of this philosophy makes sense, ya know?"

Vic




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Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 7:52pmSanction this postReply
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I think you mean perhaps the non-cognitive parts of our brains rather than their irrational parts? Only that which can or cannot be based upon a process of reasoning can be irrational. Emotions themselves are not irrational per se, but can be based upon rational or irrational beliefs. A better word for what you may wish to say (if I understand you) is arational.

In any case, being a New Yorker I remember John Cardinal O'Connor better. My father worked in the South Tower, perhaps he had met your friend.

As for Hitchens, perhaps you misinterpret him? He has never said he has a gripe with God. He is not an anti-theist. He even has no problem with men of faith who keep their beliefs private, neither forcing them on children or other adults. This seems eminently benevolent.

I too have read the former Cardinal Ratzinger, who makes good use of reason when it suits him. I lament relativism, and agree with him at least that some religions are more evil than others. He believes he has to be circumspect - I do not. Were I not an atheist (and even then) I believe I would make an excellent pope. In any case, you will not find in me a raving hatred of religion for being religion, just contempt for faith in fear of reason. I am quite sure Benedict, Christopher and I would have a splendid time, and should I be wrong and Saint Peter so judge we certainly shall.

Deodatus Carus



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Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 8:31amSanction this postReply
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I think I see the clarification of irrational vs arational. Within us as human persons there always seems to be a constant battle between belief, reason and emotion.

Actually I meant John O’Neill not O’Connor. There’s a lot of interesting articles and shows about how 911 and the events leading to 911 unfolded from his perspective, very interesting stuff.

Yes you’re right about Hitchens and within the church itself, many share his views and his case about Mother Teresa is well founded. I was fascinated by the fact that he was courageous enough to appear as “devil’s advocate” before the church commission on her canonization. Although she is held as someone pious and holy, there are some things about it which are strange to say the least. There are many organizations within the church which are cults and the HBO documentary about the sex scandal in which the Irish priest explains how young men are brought through the seminary in a 1984ish cult atmosphere is disturbing.

Like Rand, Hitchens is a great American who has a deep appreciation for the values of his adopted country. I think we should ask him to be our cult leader. He would certainly give us alot of laughs.

(Dean changed font)
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Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 6:04pmSanction this postReply
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He's a freaking intellectual rock star.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU91JG9X1qM




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Monday, August 20, 2007 - 1:25pmSanction this postReply
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Right on, Teresa.

Sam




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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 - 6:50pmSanction this postReply
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On the Subtlty of Bush jokes





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