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Saturday, March 8 - 5:07pmSanction this postReply
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I'm in the process of reading this 1997 DoubleDay book by Richard Zacks. It's one of those books that picks historical things apart. I have another, similar book called The Experts Speak, where supposed experts said things -- like Hitler's nephew calling him harmless -- which turned out to be just a little comical.

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I plan to post a few different entries of this book, entries which I find particularly relevant to Objectivism.

Entry 1
My first shared entry from this particular book will deal with art and it's critics. It's in the "Revenge Against Critics" section of the book. Rand showed -- in Romantic Manifesto -- how art (and, by extension, art critics) can be good and bad in one or the other of 2 ways:

(1) level of skill
(2) metaphysical value judgments

In Zacks' book, he writes about how British art critic John Ruskin (1819-1900) was sued for libel by American artist James McNeill Whistler. I'd be interested to see what RoR folks think about not just the lawsuit over art (i.e., the legality of being able to call someone else's art: trash), but also of the idea of the morality of art (the moral justification of this criticism).

The piece in question was Whistler's Falling Rocket, viewable by pointing your browser to the following web address ...

http://www.jssgallery.org/Other_Artists/Whistler/Nocturne_in_Black_and_Gold_The_Falling_Rocket.htm

Regarding this piece, Ruskin wrote ...

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... Lindsay ought not to have admitted works into the gallery in which the ill-educated conceit of the artist so nearly approached the aspect of willful imposture. I have seen and heard much of cockney impudence before now; but never expected to hear a coxcomb ask two hundred guineas [about 5 times the yearly salary of a factory worker] for flinging a pot of paint in the public's face.
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Whistler sued him for saying that and won his libel suit, but was only awarded one farthing (a fourth of one cent) in damages. Both men, artist and critic, were ruined thereafter -- Whistler because of losing his house and furniture for lawyer's fees; Ruskin because of losing his pride at Oxford University after losing the case.

During the trial, the attorney-general representing Ruskin asked Whistler: "You mean, Mr. Whistler, that the initiated in technical matters might have no difficulty in understanding your work. But do you think now that could make ME see the beauty of the picture?"

Whistler, answering "No!", went on to say: "Do you know I fear it would be as hopeless as for a musician to pour his notes into the ear of a deafman." This made the courtroom burst into laughter.

The attorney-general retorted by asking Whistler how long the painting took. Whistler said it took 2 days to paint. When the attorney-general complained that the artist was asking for 5 yearly salaries (of a factory worker) for just 2 days of work, then Whistler responded that he was asking to be paid for the knowledge of a lifetime.

My question to RoR members is:
Is this a case of "artistic license?"

My personal impression of the painting -- and, by extension, of the decision of the court to side with Whistler in letter (if not in spirit) -- is that it sucks.

;-)

Ed
(Edited by Ed Thompson on 3/08, 5:13pm)




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Saturday, March 8 - 6:13pmSanction this postReply
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Ed:

I don't want to get into a protracted discussion regarding aesthetics, but:

1) Like you, I disagree with the court decision to award libel damages of any kind in this situation. Christ, if this is the standard for libel, then I think just about everyone on this forum is in trouble! Hold onto your farthings :-)

2) I like this piece, at least as it appears in the link you gave above. I find the imagery evocative and I really appreciate the abstract, impressionistic quality. Here is a case where the abstract nature of the work invites the viewer to explore the piece intellectually using their imagination. I suspect that the emotional response will depend upon what each viewer perceives here. I don't know what Whistler may have intended, but I see the tragedy of a conflagration of buildings and ships contrasted with the beauty of the falling embers and the lights reflected off the water and the smoke-filled sky. I think the emotional tension that is established is palpable.

I have never had much use for the work of Whistler, but these nocturne pieces are all much more interesting than his more famous portraits. These pieces are very reminiscent of the late work of J. M. Turner. For me, the subject matter of a work of art is primary. If I don't resonate with the subject, then no amount of technical prowess can move me to feel strongly about it.

Now, take a look at another rendition of this same piece:

Your version and an alternate version

I don't like this second rendition at all! The greenish sky is jarring and eliminates much of the mystery that I perceive in the first version. The "blood red" color in the water and the sky is missing which lessens the emotional tension I spoke of previously. I showed these two pictures to my wife and she immediately liked the second version more. She said she thought that the coloration of the second gave it more of an Japanese flavor (probably because of the jade green color) and this association apparently evokes a positive response in her.

!@#$%^-it people, you're all supposed to agree with my assessment on these matters which is objectively true!

Regards,
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Jeff



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Saturday, March 8 - 7:47pmSanction this postReply
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from a naturalistic standpoint, the first is prefered - but from an aesthetic standpoint, so sorry but your wife is correct...... ;-)
(Edited by robert malcom on 3/08, 7:49pm)




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Saturday, March 8 - 8:53pmSanction this postReply
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[F]rom an orthosyntactic standpoint, the first is prefer[r]ed.

It takes an artist to take such artistic license with my (and his) language.

;-)

And no thanks are necessary, Jeff (for criticizing your critic).

Ed



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Sunday, March 9 - 11:45amSanction this postReply
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it is interesting that of all those I sent these two versions to, all who are artists [all realists like myself] prefer the 'green' version....



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Sunday, March 9 - 12:19pmSanction this postReply
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Robert wrote:

> it is interesting that of all those I sent these two versions to, all who are artists
> [all realists like myself] prefer the 'green' version....

The story of my life. If I ever find myself in agreement with the majority of people on any subject, I'll probably keel over from shock. :-)

All kidding aside, it would be interesting to know which of these two versions comes closest to representing the original picture. Have any of your artist friends ever seen the original? Possible in a traveling exhibit?

It seems to me that the first version is truer to the title of a nocturne in black and gold.

Regards,
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Jeff
(Edited by C. Jeffery Small on 3/09, 12:22pm)




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Sunday, March 9 - 12:39pmSanction this postReply
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did he so title it, or another?

just sent the photos out, so all just got the visual, without tags..... perhaps adding that would have made some difference, but doubt it.....

(Edited by robert malcom on 3/09, 12:41pm)




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Thursday, April 24 - 9:08pmSanction this postReply
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Both Whistler and Turner were discussed at length as episodes in Simon Schama's Power of Art BBC series.

I like Whistler and seem to remember Nocturne not being that unnatural ugly green.

Schama also discussed Rembrandt and Caravaggio at length. Michael Newberry quite likes Rembrandt - I prefer Caravaggio. Here's Caravaggio's St. Paul on the road to Damascus.

(Edited by Ted Keer on 4/24, 9:12pm)




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