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Sunday, April 27 - 6:53am

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The title of the thread is "The Liquidation of Islam."

As in what Dorothy did to the Wicked Witch of the West.

Post 21

Sunday, April 27 - 12:33pm

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Heads in the Sand

Mark Steyn's incomparable America Alone addresses all these issues, fecundity, the supposed begnignity of isl@m, the actual bankruptcy of the West. His book is full of statistical and anecdotal evidence. He draws parallels with past historical trends.

More churches in England have been converted to mosques than remain in the hands of the morbid Church of England. The Episcopalians will re-enter the Catholic fold not by ecumenism, but by default. That is, if the imposition of Sharia does not make such conversions capital offenses.

Plenty of Jews were willing to lend Hitler money and give him good press before the War. After all, they knew he didn't really mean it. And after 13 centuries, we know the head choppers don't really mean it either.

Post 22

Sunday, April 27 - 12:35pm

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Oh, I'm ... M-E-L-T-I-N-G!!!

Post 23

Sunday, April 27 - 3:37pm

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Holy crap, Ted...

Post 24

Sunday, April 27 - 5:52pm

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A Floating Abstraction?

I'm sorry, perhaps this is more palatable, Teresa. In any case, "a picture is not an argument." (Let's see some pictures of Christians burning witches, just to keep the debate "balanced.")

(Edited by Ted Keer on 4/27, 6:26pm)

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Sunday, April 27 - 10:18pm

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Ed (Martel of Tours) Thompson: "... but according to differential rates of fecundity, we do not even have "5 generations" to work this thing out."

1. Numbers are not as important as ideas.

2. Once they have a hegemony, they will fraction, as all do, else today, there would not be Sunni, Shia, Sufi and Druse.

3. Look for atheism in the young.

4. Success breeds defeat.

Post 26

Sunday, April 27 - 11:02pm

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Christ! I agree with Teresa. Just because you feel strongly about something, that doesn't sent propriety flying out the window. Sometimes it sickens me to call myself an Objectivist and have to be associated with some of incredible rhetoric that is flung about under its banner. And right now this isn't the only thread on this forum that seems to have jumped the rails and is heading into the abyss. Let's take a breath, pause, and rethink our purpose here please.

Regards,
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Jeff

Post 27

Sunday, April 27 - 11:22pm

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Just What, Exactly, is Flying Out the Window Above?

Propriety? So discourse at the level of abstractions not connected to reality is fine on an Objectivist discussion list, but direct perceptual evidence of reality is verboten? Not in front of the children? We have competing lists of atrocities, where each side can ignore the reality behind the list.

Who can ignore the reality behind the perceptual concrete?

Sometimes one has to connect the abstract to the concrete. If that makes us uncomfortable, so be it.

(Edited by Ted Keer on 4/27, 11:26pm)

Post 28

Monday, April 28 - 5:56am

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Interesting and relevant article from the Jerusalem Post:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1208870505155&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

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Monday, April 28 - 6:31am

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Robert said: It is important to remember that no matter how anti-life a person's values may be, as long as he remains alive and functional he must possess at least some level of life creating values.

What is interesting is that there are so many suicide attacks from Islamists - proving that, in fact, they no longer remain either alive or functional once they have acted out their beliefs.

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Monday, April 28 - 8:39am

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This thread is not the proper place to discuss this, however it is the proper place to ask: how do I make right choices?

The situation with Islam is tough for me. When I read about Muslims killing others I am angered, however I think there must be a way to deal with this rationally. When I see the pictures Ted posted, I want to kill them. I want to line them up and eliminate them from the world. I want to 'liquidate' them.

Is that just emotion? Is that emotion the right response or are my values off a bit?

Summer put forth a wild scenario, but one that set me back terribly. If I had to make the choice what would my choice be? Well, how the hell do I make the right choice?

I think I'll start a new thread for this one guys.

Post 31

Monday, April 28 - 8:51am

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Steve wrote:

Summer put forth a wild scenario, but one that set me back terribly. If I had to make the choice what would my choice be? Well, how the hell do I make the right choice?

For the record, I haven't a clue what I would do. But I confess that my first impulse would be to use the military (as was implied in the question itself).

Post 32

Monday, April 28 - 4:02pm

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Hey, Steve -

I just spend several minutes digging up this Rowlands article (speech, really) so you better read it!

The piece is specific to your query.

Post 33

Tuesday, April 29 - 8:20am

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I read this last night, and will read it again in a few moments.

Teresa, I never take for granted a womans desire to right my wrongs. BTW, are you single?

Post 34

Tuesday, April 29 - 3:08pm

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Honey, I'm old enough to be your mother...

Post 35

Tuesday, April 29 - 6:15pm

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That was not the question... and Objectivists have a tradition of May-December romances.

... moving right along ...
I posted this in "Rightwing Terrorism" and it bears repeating here where the discussion started.

Allow me to say here -- I will repeat it there -- that if you read my posts, it should be clear that the purpose of the "Liquidation" thread was to discuss taking the best of that philosophy and discarding the rest, truly, selling off its intellectual assets. I have long resisted the conservative-populist rants here that have called for military destruction of places where some people have said things that Objectivists disapprove of. As a capitalist, I see no profit in war... or hatred... Neither do I see any gain in turning a blind eye to hoodlums just because they come from your "family."

If anyone is not clear on my perspective or intentions from reading Post 0 or Post 16, then I offer to answer any questions.

I advocated partnerships that will infuse our capital -- social and intellectual as the price of the material -- into their enterprises, and our assets -- philosophical and political -- to redeem their liabilities.

Of course, we could do that here in the USA. Which is why I started the Rightwing Terrorist topics. Anyone who wants to bring American values -- Objective values -- to the wider world should consider Texas being a place to "crusade for reason."

Man cleared by DNA free after 27 years
April 29, 2008 6:07 PM
DALLAS, Texas (AP) -- A Dallas man who spent more than 27 years in prison for a murder he didn't commit was freed Tuesday, after being incarcerated longer than any other wrongfully convicted U.S. inmate cleared by DNA testing
James Lee Woodard -- cleared of the 1980 murder of his girlfriend -- became the 18th person in Dallas County to have his conviction cast aside.
That's a figure unmatched by any county nationally, according to the Innocence Project, a New York-based legal center that specializes in overturning wrongful convictions
Overall, 31 people have been formally exonerated through DNA testing in Texas, also a national high.