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Friday, November 6 - 7:58am

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Passing along a wide-distribution email from Bidinotto urging us to contact our congressment. This vote will probably come up this weekend.

Dear Friends,

If you haven’t yet contacted your congressman (or even if you have) to oppose ObamaCare, TODAY is perhaps the last day that wavering representatives will be making up their minds.

By all reports, the House vote this weekend will be very close. Just one or two congressmen could tip the balance for or against this horrible piece of legislation. We need to show immediate, overwhelming opposition to this monstrosity.

PLEASE do what millions of other patriotic Americans have done. Call or email your congressman or congresswoman NOW.

To obtain his or her contact information, click on the link below, or copy it into your web browser:

http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml

And if you run a website or blog, please post that contact information and urge your readers to weigh in.

Thanks so much for your consideration.

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Saturday, November 7 - 6:42am

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Consider this much easier link instead.

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Saturday, November 7 - 8:26pm

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Passed the House by six votes

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Saturday, November 7 - 8:36pm

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The good news is it's not likely to pass the Senate. Joe Lieberman has said he would join a Republican filibuster, leaving the Dem scum at most only 59 votes, not enough to end debate.

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Saturday, November 7 - 9:22pm

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Actually, it passed by 3 votes.

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Sunday, November 8 - 8:37am

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A simple majority in the House is 218 votes. It passed with 220 for, 215 against.

Jordan

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Sunday, November 8 - 10:26am

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The good news regarding that vote is what it will do next November - at the polls.

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Sunday, November 8 - 10:46am

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And that will be hammered and hammered all summer long before the elections...

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Sunday, November 8 - 2:17pm

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God help us if they figure out a way to get it through the Senate. Once this passes it will NEVER be revoked.

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Sunday, November 8 - 2:32pm

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I'm not so sure that it will be that hard to revoke - remember, it doesn't go into law, except for the tax parts, until 2013. so, it won't have that large number of 'entitled' fans who have become addicted to 'free' medicine or that large increase in health care bureaucrats and union workers till then. We would have a window of opportunity to knock it down and put up proper health care reform (get the government out of medicine) between the 2010 elections and when they start the give-away.

Glenn Beck interviewed Art Laffer one day a week or so ago. Beck was talking about all of the damage that had been done, and Laffer just smiled and said, it wouldn't take him more than a long weekend to fix what they've done. It was a very heartening thing to hear.

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Sunday, November 8 - 3:24pm

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The only problem though Steve is if Obama is re-elected in 2012, there's no way they could reverse the legislation since Obama would not sign such a bill. And if a Republican wins in 2012, he doesn't take office until 2013, cutting things rather closely. In addition, we would have to assume enough Republicans win the House and Senate to get such a bill passed to get to a Republican President to sign. If this current bill passes the Senate, which I'm fairly confident it won't, I think chances would be slim to none it could be reversed.
(Edited by John Armaos on 11/08, 3:25pm)

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Sunday, November 8 - 4:15pm

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Good points, John. It would take a 2/3 majority in the house to override a presidential veto - and the congress might not turn over THAT much in 2010 (but it won't surprise me if it does). I hope you're right that the Senate won't pass it, since that's the least painful solution - and it would have the added advantage of crippling Obama's forward momentum between now and the mid-terms.

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Monday, November 9 - 6:17am

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I don't know, but even if the Senate doesn't pass it, does anyone think that it will not go back to the House to be re-written into a form more palatable to the Senate. There are still a number of Senators that'd change their vote for a watered down version of the House bill... and even a watered down version will be devastating.

This really needs to be soundly and boldly rejected by the Senate. Having gotten this close, the 'Gang of 220' aren't going to give up so easily.

jt

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Monday, November 9 - 9:49am

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Hi Jay, what you describe is certainly a possibility, however I think that is also unlikely to happen. The Senate will most likely not pass a bill that has a public option, so if they write that out of the bill, there is a new dynamic to consider when it would go back to the House for a vote. A great number of extreme left House Democrats said they would never endorse a health reform bill that didn't have a public option. If they did endorse one that didn't have the public option, they risk the ire of their die-hard constituents in their very liberal districts. The Democrats would be seen as ultimately failing in bringing about their health care utopia and reneging on campaign promises, something that they are very well aware of.

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Monday, November 9 - 1:10pm

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Can't really trust any of them any more, considering how criminal this whole bill is.

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Monday, November 9 - 4:03pm

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Big headline on my local paper "House Bill Dead On Arrival to Senate."

That's fine, but what's bothering me are Lieberman's reasons for rejecting the bill. He's rejecting the public option, but appears to be cool with profit killing regulations against private companies, and forcing health insurance policies on citizens under penalty of crazy fines, jail, and of course, death if they resist.

The whole idea is insane, and none of it should be entertained. Period.

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Monday, November 9 - 4:11pm

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I wouldn't count on it staying dead. Obama and the left will do anything to get it through. They will find a way to make the public option play dead, like hiding it behind a trigger, to give political cover. They will twist arms, open up the pork barrels, and write any kind of bizarre language that they can later twist into a forced public option. They can write ANYTHING that will get enough votes, then compromise it back into a left-is-happy bill in conference. It is a crusade for them - they are beyond reason or political pragmatism in their hunger to achieve the left's holy grail.

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Tuesday, November 10 - 6:10am

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I agree. It's more like the "living dead". This zombie isn't going to go away unless it is decapitated. It is inconceivable that the 220 who've already voted for it, or the Senators who already intend to vote for it, do not already know how irresponsible it is financially. The fact they still support it says volumes about the grifter mentality that's been adopted. As for pragmatism, they've spent so many days selling this bottle of swill to their public, that they can't conceive of abandoning it now. Having sold bad judgement so long, they have no recourse or explanations they can offer their constituency (the frenzied grifter constituency) for exercising good judgement.

We're looking at depraved indifference.

jt

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Tuesday, November 10 - 10:57am

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I'd feel a lot more comfortable if somebody had said before the House vote that everybody knew it would pass the House and that the Senate is the real battleground.

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Tuesday, November 10 - 7:01pm

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They did Peter, so repeatedly it wasn't even news. The question was and always has been could they beat the Senate filibuster, and if not, will they use the nuclear option.

Message from Bidinotto on healthcare