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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 8:54pmSanction this postReply
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Luke, you said, "Those of you who did not have my good fortune to grow up in Oak Park, Illinois, less than a mile from Wright's home and studio (and many more of his finest buildings), should consider making the trip, at least for a brief tour."

You're a very lucky man, Luke. Frank has been one of my personal heroes for a very long time - it's wonderful to see him still held in such high regard - I might even say ever increasing regard -- nearly fifty years after his death.

He was a genius.



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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 5:25amSanction this postReply
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Not only that. But he was an admirer of Ayn Rand and probably the inspiration for the Fountainhead.



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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 10:42amSanction this postReply
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Can you imagine both of them working on a project such as the movie for the Fountain head. I gather they would clash to the extreme on every detail and the project would never get. done. However, living in Pennsylvania I am lucky to have some of his works of art lieing around. Thanks for posting. JML



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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 10:46amSanction this postReply
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Marcus,
I don't know whether you are aware of it (probably), but Wright designed a house for Rand. (Never built, unfortunately.) It bears a strong resemblance to Fallingwater.

I believe she fairly strongly denied, however, that Wright was the inspiration for The Fountainhead.




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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 12:24pmSanction this postReply
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Jeff P., it is a sin to write such posts without references.

Me want diagrams!!! <throws tantrum>

:-(



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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 2:15pmSanction this postReply
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Lanai,
I confess to having been a lifelong sinner.

Any good compilation of Wright's work will include a drawing of the proposed studio-residence for Ayn Rand (1947).
Treasures of Taliesin (Seventy-Seven Unbuilt Designs)
by Bruce Brooks Pfeiffer is an especially good one. (Page 84)

Now, please stop crying and stomping your feet. It loosens an otherwise tightly constructed and fine mind.





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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 3:04pmSanction this postReply
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I lived in Oak Park for a year, and would routinely come across FLW homes in my neighborhood.  It was amazing, I could simply tell by looking at them (I would always check, though, in a local FLW home guide to make sure my guess was right, and it was about 90% of the time). 

Peter, if you're an architecture afficianado, you owe it to yourself to visit Chicago if you haven't already.  There is an architecture boat tour that goes up the river downtown that is quite good (the guides are often architecture graduate students), and I believe there are bus tours of the same ilk.  The new Trump Tower is currently being constructed, it'll be interesting to see what that adds to the skyline also. 

It truly is a priveledge to be able to look out my office window and enjoy one of the world's most architecturally significant cities on a daily basis!      

Pete

PS - Speaking of Chicago architecture, has anyone here read The Devil in the White City?




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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 3:31pmSanction this postReply
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In perusing the Fallingwater site, I was a bit disheartened to learn how much repair has had to be done to the structure.  It seems that not enough thought was put into its initial construction, and there have been repeated cracks and sinking of critical pieces of the house.

Peter, do you think this is an example of "good in theory..."?  Is this a similar problem with other buildings of his? 




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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 3:45pmSanction this postReply
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Jennifer,

I'm not an expert on architecture but from what I read the disrepair is in large part owing to the fact that the house sits directly on top of the waterfall and the moisture (given other factors about the site, such as being in the middle of forested land) is responsible for much of the decay. (Oddly, the Wright Foundation always seems to be short of funds for repair and maintenance.)

And Wright probably is mildly at fault here by having insisted on putting it right there, rather than a few yards back as the owners requested. He often sacrificed (if that is the proper term) engineering for the sake of aesthetics. (Just look at his chairs for heaven's sake. Beautiful but not exactly comfortable.)

Peter, perhaps you can enlighten us further?






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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 5:57pmSanction this postReply
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Didn't he also detonate a housing project because his design was compromised, or am I thinking of someone else?



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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 7:15pmSanction this postReply
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I believe that Jeff is correct that Rand denied that Wright was the inspiration for Roark (how's that for a string of monosyllabic names? Hehe), though I also lack the references to prove it.  This is cited on ARI's FAQ page, I believe.  Though I know that's not necessarily the most trustworthy source. ;-)

That said, Rand did want Wright to design the models for the movie of The Fountainhead, but the price he demanded was more exhorbitant than the studio was willing to shell out.  Again, I lack immediately available references for this, but if memory serves...

Fallingwater is not the only building of Wright's suffering from weakened integrity, unfortunately; several of his works in Oak Park, including his home and studio and the Unity Temple, have undergone repairs and structural renovation in recent years to keep them standing strong.  I don't think this gives the lie to his artistic accomplishments, though.




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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 10:24pmSanction this postReply
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Last Thursday I went into my first in a FLW building, the Dallas Theatre Centre, which FLW was approached to do because of his reputation for succeeding with difficult sites and tight budgets.

I don't know much about architecture let alone theatre design in particular but I was stunned by the innovations the guide showed me - the rotating centre stage, to prevent the need to pull the curtains to change stages; the space saving circular ramp beneath the stage for bringing the sets up; the spacious but tightly-packed lounge areas for the actors; the echoless sound baffles; the siting on the property to get the best view of the city from the roof; and on and on...

I'll make sure to visit more of them as I proceed up the East Coast in coming weeks. Can anyone point out some majors in Atlanta, Florida or the Carolinas?




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Friday, June 10, 2005 - 1:35pmSanction this postReply
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Jennifer and Peter,

The last time I visited Fallingwater was during a break from the 2001 Summer seminar held by TOC in Johnstown, PA. The docent that conducted the tour blamed Wright for underestimating the amount of support needed for the horizontal structures that he thought could be adequately supported by the hugh vertical chimney. He also told us that after the Kaufmanns moved in the roof started to leak. They informed Wright who wrote back to Mr. Kaufmann that since he owned a department store he should gets some buckets!! It sounded toooo bizarre but I can't believe the Western Pennsylvania Conservancy would allow these dozents to spread falsehoods about Wright. Peter, do you know anything about this?
Fred



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Monday, June 13, 2005 - 7:19pmSanction this postReply
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I was excited to see you'd been talking about Frank while I was away; that is, until I say what you were all saying. Well, almost all:

"Peter, if you're an architecture afficianado, you owe it to yourself to visit Chicago if you haven't already."

I haven't, and I certainly intend to. :-)

Now...

...oddly, I've just been answering Wright criticisms on my blog. As I indicated there, it's interesting how people just love hearing stories that tear down great men; seems it doesn't even matter if they're true.

I comment on many Fallingwater canards here and here.

Feel free to look for more. As I'm sure you will.

"It seems that not enough thought was put into its initial construction,.."

On the contrary. It seems not enough thought went into your post. ;-P

"... and there have been repeated cracks and sinking of critical pieces of the house."

Many of the former are due to a) poor maintenance, and b)the house being seventy years old. The sinking of the cantilevered terraces is largely due to a) extra steel put in by the site engineer making the cantilevered terraces both weaker (concrete couldn't get into all the poured volumes) and heavier; and b) the builder not pre-cambering the terrace pours.

Concrete always creeps over time -- pre-cambering allows for that -- the builder didn't. He also kept his shed out on the terrace all through the crucial 28-day hardening period of the concrete.

"I'm not an expert on architecture but from what I read the disrepair is in large part owing to the fact that the house sits directly on top of the waterfall and the moisture ... is responsible for much of the decay.":

For disrepair see above. For moisture, the possible reasons are 1) poor maintenance - cleaning mould off walls in a humid environment should be an item of regular maintenance; 2)as you say the environment there would be very humid, meaning the materials needed to be carefully selected -- which they were -- and specific and careful environmental, thermal and HVAC design would have been required - and also continuation of those designed measures. A change of use from a 'single family home' to a 'regularly-visited museum' would for example change the parameters for environmental, thermal and HVAC design, and require a new design for the environmental control. I doubt whether the Conservancy bothered; they just moaned and asked for more cash.

"(Oddly, the Wright Foundation always seems to be short of funds for repair and maintenance.)"

Yes they are, but Fallingwater is 'maintained' by the West Pennsylvania Conservancy, not the Wright Foundation.

"And Wright probably is mildly at fault here by having insisted on putting it right there, rather than a few yards back as the owners requested."

Nonsense. A 'few yards' would be irrelevant in any case, and your story is either fabrication or embroidery.

"He often sacrificed (if that is the proper term) engineering for the sake of aesthetics."

Utter nonsense.

"...several of his works in Oak Park, including his home and studio and the Unity Temple, have undergone repairs and structural renovation in recent years to keep them standing strong."

All of which buildings are nearing or over 100 years old by now. Show me a house of that age which doesn't need repair.

" I don't think this gives the lie to his artistic accomplishments, though."

Thank goodness there's something here I can agree with. :-)

"The docent that conducted the tour blamed Wright for underestimating the amount of support needed for the horizontal structures that he thought could be adequately supported by the huge vertical chimney."

He's wrong. See above.

"He also told us that after the Kaufmanns moved in the roof started to leak. They informed Wright who wrote back to Mr. Kaufmann that since he owned a department store he should gets some buckets!!"

He's correct, they did, and the Kaufmann's continued to enjoy their house.

FRED:"It sounded toooo bizarre but I can't believe the Western Pennsylvania Conservancy would allow these dozents to spread falsehoods about Wright."

He probably figured you'd be happy enough to do it for him, Fred.

"I'll make sure to visit more of them as I proceed up the East Coast in coming weeks. Can anyone point out some majors in Atlanta, Florida or the Carolinas?"

There is a site somewhere that lists all of the buildings ands their locations. You're bound to find it in
here
. In Florida you have to see the Florida Southern College, Wright's only complete campus design. It's gorgeous. In Alabama you can visit the jewel-like Rosenbuam House. North Carolina has the Leigh Stevens spread. SC has two buildings, neither of which I know too much about. AFAIK there are no FLW buildings in Georgia at all. Their loss.

Here's a list that looks pretty comprehensive. Not all the buildings will be open to the public of course: http://architecture.about.com/library/bl-wright-list.htm








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Monday, June 13, 2005 - 8:36pmSanction this postReply
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Peter,
Thanks. I stand corrected on several items. Just to be clear, though: Not fabrication -- research. Incorrect perhaps, but definintely not invented. Rest assured I'm not looking for clay feet.

Jeff




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Monday, June 13, 2005 - 10:11pmSanction this postReply
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Jeff, you said, "Rest assured I'm not looking for clay feet."

Okay, if that's not you, then great. Ive just had a rash of people recently who are keen to knock FLW to make themselves feel better.

Sorry if you took the brunt unfairly.



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Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 5:01amSanction this postReply
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Peter,
Thank you for that. Just to add, like you I think FLW is a stellar architect. (That may sound like faint praise, but from me it's quite something. I use the word 'genius' only in extremely rare instances, such as Euler or Gauss, because I have only a vague understanding of what qualifies.)

I've been a huge fan of his work since long before learning Objectivism and have a fairly extensive library of works about him. I've even spent many whole afternoons in Columbia University's library which has, to the best of my knowledge, some works about him that exist nowhere else. (One small volume in particular is a photo-essay book about the building of the Price Tower -- one of my favorites and a work that is less often discussed than, say, the more well known Johnson & Johnson book.)

If I'd had any drafting talent or visual ability whatever I would probably have been an architect. My hat's off to you for choosing that profession.

Jeff




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Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 1:09pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks for that, Jeff. I very much enjoyed your inspiring story on the construction of Hong Kong airport. A bit like reading the stories of the construction of the great Canals or the Brooklyn Bridge, though more up to date and achieved with fewer 'fubar's along the way.



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Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 4:43pmSanction this postReply
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Peter,

"He's correct, they did, and the Kaufmann's continued to enjoy their house"

You got me confused, Peter. Are you implying that its ok for an architect to build a house with a roof that leaks, not 100 years later, but when the owners move in--and this on top of the fact that the house came in way over budget??

I thought there might be some esoteric architectural reason known only to those in the know. Wright was trying to break down the barrier between inside and outside at Fallingwater--a leaking roof certainly brings the outside it.


Fred



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Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 8:51amSanction this postReply
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From what I have learned of FLW he was, I guess eccentric but also very particular. He even designed the dress that the client would where for a dinner party at the house he had built them. If he came back to a house later he would rearrange the furniture back to the way he had it. However, I find it hard to believe that anyone with that kind of love for his work though would be so nonchalant about a leaky roof.

as for:
"And Wright probably is mildly at fault here by having insisted on putting it right there, rather than a few yards back as the owners requested. He often sacrificed (if that is the proper term) engineering for the sake of aesthetics. (Just look at his chairs for heaven's sake. Beautiful but not exactly comfortable.)"
Falling water would not be what it is without its exact location. FLW suggested to his clients to pick the most difficult terrain because that is where the true character of their building would derive from. So I think it was the problems of such sites, the use of new materials needed the buildings developed from. In other words i think it was solely the Engineering that the aesthetics came from, there was no sacrifice. Thanks. JML



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