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Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 10:02amSanction this postReply
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Robert, I need your help tying the news article with your quote from Ayn Rand.



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Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 12:35pmSanction this postReply
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Luke: There is a very common type of culture in human history where a ruler is considered a direct representative of God(s)? I think Robert's accusing Leonard of having started out there, and then taking it to the next level. :)

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Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 2:22pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks for posting this... at the time it came out, not getting then the Intellectial Activist, therefore did not get to read this... it is good, now, to be able to have it in my files...



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Sunday, December 4, 2005 - 1:52amSanction this postReply
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if anyone from the orthodoxy has responded to Truth and Toleration? Or if anyone of that position thinks it neccessary?




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Sunday, December 4, 2005 - 6:58amSanction this postReply
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"Now consider the case of Kant, whom I take to be the negative counterpart of Ayn Rand. To anyone capable of understanding Kant's ideas, the first thing to say about them is: "false." But implicit in the all-embracing war on reality they represent is a second verdict: "wicked." The cause of such ideas has to be methodical, lifelong intellectual dishonesty; the effect, when they are injected into the cultural mainstream, has to be mass death. There can be no greater evasion than the open, total rejection of reality undertaken as a lifetime crusade. And only evasion on this kind of scale, evasion as the motor of an entire philosophic system, makes possible and necessary all the atrocities of our age. (For details, see The Ominous Parallels.)"

"Whoever understands the Critiques, yet urges "toleration" of Kant (or his ilk), or tells us to practice cognition on his ideas but not moral evaluation, has rejected self-preservation as a goal. He has rejected the principle of justice and the entire realm of moral value. He has said that man's life or death should not be a ruling concern in anyone's mind."

I think this is a good reason why a certain amount of "toleration" is required.  The Rand/Peikoff understanding of Kant is widely rejected by professional philosophers.  I don't believe Peikoff is an expert of Kant.  If Peikoff is wrong about Kant, then he is probably wrong in ascribing all sorts of bad effects to Kant's writings.




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Sunday, December 4, 2005 - 9:12amSanction this postReply
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Luke,

Read again the section:

In his last Paragraph




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Sunday, December 4, 2005 - 1:06pmSanction this postReply
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So, Robert, are you saying that Kelley is using the name of Ayn Rand to spread his own misunderstandings?  Or are you saying something else?



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Monday, December 5, 2005 - 7:30amSanction this postReply
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Luke,

Personally, I haven't yet made up my mind.  It is possible.   Peikoff seems to think so.  It appears to be all in how you define "tolerance".  I am still sorting out the semantics. 

PS- I certainly like Joe's benevolent approach better than I like Peikoff's denunciations.  Peikoff writes, "Objectivism, therefore, is "rigid," "narrow," "intolerant" and "closed-minded", which is fine for the philosophy but not a good metaphor for how we should treat each other.  I am fonder of Rand's advice,

"The policy of always pronouncing moral judgment does not mean that one must regard oneself as a missionary charged with the responsibility of 'saving everyone's soul'--nor that one must give unsolicited moral appraisals to all those one meets."

(Edited by Robert Davison on 12/05, 7:41am)




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