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Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 6:19amSanction this postReply
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Well, we're not communists or surrounded by communists so I'm glad it worked.



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Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 11:13amSanction this postReply
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I distrust the news source, Information Clearing House, carrying the Stockwell story.  A scan of their material suggests strong socialist leanings.  For instance, from another item there called "A Prescription for Peace":

Capitalism, an economic system in which it is assumed that self-interest (exclusive concern for one’s own family and personal welfare) is an undeniable good, that greed can (and perhaps should) be tolerated, that one ought to be allowed (and perhaps even encouraged) to make as much money as possible, that the right to own property is inalienable, and that equality (the relatively equal distribution of goods among folks) is, for the most part, of little or no value, and that capitalism, as an economic arrangement, is in no way preferable to that of socialism, an economic system that cherishes a relatively high degree of equality amongst its citizens (the right for everyone to share in and to have access to “the basics of life”), while simultaneously encouraging individuals to overcome the temptation to be indolent (lazy and/or unproductive) by mandating that each has a moral responsibility to share with others, as indicated by Karl Marx’s aphorism, “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs,” the early Christian communist (communalist) expectation that each share his/her belongings with others, along with the prophet Jesus’ (Mark 10:17-27) advice to “the Rich Young Ruler” concerning what must be done in order to be saved, what one must do in order to inherit eternal life…… “Go and sell all of your possessions, and give the proceeds to the poor, and then, and only then, will it be possible for you to be saved,” but, as we are told, since the Rich Young Ruler had great possessions, he (like many of us no doubt would) in fact did leave with a saddened and grievous heart…….  much like that of  “the camels of antiquity;” it is a very difficult thing for those with money to humble themselves to the point of crawling on bare knees through the “proverbial eye of a needle!”

While its content opposes the religious and political standards of Objectivism, its style clashes with Objectivism's standards for clarity in writing.  I suggest the author may purposely have engaged in the latter in order to dupe the reader into accepting the former.

(Edited by Luke Setzer on 11/21, 11:15am)




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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 6:34amSanction this postReply
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Are you suggesting that this interview was made up, Luke?




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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 7:10amSanction this postReply
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No, Chris, I am suggesting that the news source has an incentive to publish anti-American propaganda posturing as "news."  This means that a former CIA agent with an axe to grind could broadcast stories real or fabricated and cast them in the worst possible light with their assistance.  Based on my perusal of the other stories at that site, I certainly question the objectivity of the article and its underlying philosophy.



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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 7:15amSanction this postReply
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Oh, I see. Anybody who does not follow the neo-con agenda of eternal war is now "anti-American."




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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 7:35amSanction this postReply
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Duh, get with the program! :)



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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 7:54amSanction this postReply
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Chris, I have yet to see you post a lengthy, detailed, well-reasoned, formal article about how the United States ought to conduct itself militarily.

Until you do so, I will simply not take your posts on the issue seriously.

I have seen plenty of articles from others here explaining the genuine threat of Islam to the West.  Arguments that they only attack us because of our support of Israel and so forth simply lack merit.  Given the abundance of articles at the site you linked critical of Israel and America, I can see which way the content providers like to lean.  I do not consider them as leaning in a direction that preserves and advances my life.

As for previous clandestine efforts of the CIA to defend us from the genuine threats of Communism, I can see why our government may have considered them necessary -- and why Communist sympathizers would criticize those efforts.




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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 7:57amSanction this postReply
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I have a problem with anyone who admits that he's been telling lies for years and years and then comes forward and says "oh, that was all lies and NOW I'm telling the truth."  How do you trust someone like that?  Especially when his sudden truth comes with a best-seller. 



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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 10:43amSanction this postReply
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That is a good point, Deanna.

Perhaps nobody exemplifies this better than Pete Rose. I was one of the believers until he admitted that he did bet on baseball in 2004. He claimed he hadn't bet on baseball for over 15 years.




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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 6:19pmSanction this postReply
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Then, of course, there's OJ, who 'hypothetically' confesses......



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Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 7:19amSanction this postReply
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OJ just wanted to make an easy buck.




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Friday, November 24, 2006 - 7:51pmSanction this postReply
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Clarence Hardy wrote: Well, we're not communists or surrounded by communists so I'm glad it worked.
You are in Washington DC, and you think that you are not surrounded by communists?  How do you define "communism"?  Would it make you feel better or worse if you called them "nationalist-socialists" -- because that is exactly what "neo-conservatives" are... New Deal liberals who want an aggressive U.S. foreign policy.

Luke Setzer wrote: A scan of their material suggests strong socialist leanings. 
 Yes, he does mention how good Manley and other socialist leaders are and how he liked them.  So, there is that.  Those people not anyone's pals, either.
A State of Emergency was declared by Manley's party the PNP in June and 500 people, including some prominent members of the JLP, were accused of trying to overthrow the government and were detained, without charges, in a specially created prison ...
Wikipedia: "Michael Manley"

 


That said, though, to tie Hardy and Setzer to the same reply here, I point out that to "defeat communism" (or "terrorism") or to "support American interests" does not require murder, torture, covert war, corruption, etc.  To believe that it does is to endorse the muscle-mystic fallacy that brute force could work. 

Liberals have this sneaking respect and admiration for Adolf Hitler because they see in Nazism the power and glory of collective action: they just disapprove of the specific symbols of the likes and objects of the hates -- though they share a hatred for the bourgeoisie 

So, too, do nominal "conservatives" have a sneaking suspicion that communism just might work if you do it right... so these "conservatives" claim that we need atomic bombs and torture squad (or Delta Force commandos, or whatever) to fight "them" on their own terms because these conservatives believe that reason and freedom and markets stand no chance against an organized, centralized state that is "brutally efficient" like the communists or the nazis. 

The conservatives and liberals succeed in diminishing civil rights and civil liberties, narrowing the legally permited ranges of human action.

Objectivists understand that metaphysics and epistemology are the foundation of ethics and politics.  Therefore, reason, logic, and appeals to self-interest are the tools of rational foreign policy.  Those ultimately demand the self-esteem on your part to let other people make choices different than the ones you want them to make. 




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Friday, November 24, 2006 - 8:10pmSanction this postReply
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M. Marotta, if brute force does not work, to what do you attribute the American Revolutionaries victory? Magic?

Also, don't take cheap shots at elite units (Delta) unless you actually know what it is they do...likening them to South American Death/Torture Squads is shrill hyperbole on your part and baseless to boot.




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