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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 - 11:38pmSanction this postReply
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Dated Dec 6?



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Wednesday, December 6, 2006 - 3:20pmSanction this postReply
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The way this story was initially reported on t'v' on the national news for a few days was an absolute disgrace. The zero follow-up story and correction was far worse.    
 
I think the probably-jihadi Muslims on this flight did this on purpose. It was a stunt and an act of passive aggression. The reality is these bastardly Muslims -- like all the forces of evil -- will continue to challenge and push us until we finally become rational and sane -- and push back.    
 
Firebrand conservative Ann Coulter wrote about this a few weeks ago, and adds new info to Bill's article: 
 
What Can I Do to Make Your Flight More Uncomfortable?
 
by Ann Coulter; November 23, 2006
 
Six imams removed from a US Airways flight from Minneapolis to Phoenix are calling on Muslims to boycott the airline. If only we could get Muslims to boycott all airlines, we could dispense with airport security altogether.
 
Witnesses said the imams stood to do their evening prayers in the terminal before boarding, chanting "Allah, Allah, Allah" — coincidentally, the last words heard by hundreds of airline passengers on 9/11 before they died.
 
Witnesses also said that the imams were talking about Saddam Hussein, and denouncing America and the war in Iraq. About the only scary preflight ritual the imams didn't perform was the signing of last wills and testaments.
 
After boarding, the imams did not sit together and some asked for seat belt extensions, although none were morbidly obese. Three of the men had one-way tickets and no checked baggage.
 
Also they were Muslims.
 
The idea that a Muslim boycott against US Airways would hurt the airline proves that Arabs are utterly tone-deaf. This is roughly the equivalent of Cindy Sheehan taking a vow of silence. How can we hope to deal with people with no sense of irony? The next thing you know, New York City cab drivers will be threatening to bathe.
 
Come to think of it, the whole affair may have been a madcap advertising scheme cooked up by US Airways.
 
It worked with me. US Airways is my official airline now. Northwest, which eventually flew the Allah-spouting Muslims to their destinations, is off my list. You want to really hurt a U.S. air carrier's business? Have Muslims announce that it's their favorite airline.
 
The clerics had been attending an imam conference in Minneapolis (imam conference slogan: "What Happens in Minneapolis — Actually, Nothing Happened in Minneapolis"). But instead of investigating the conference, the government is now investigating my favorite airline.
 
What threat could Muslims flying from Minnesota to Arizona be?
 
Three of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 received their flight training in Arizona. Long before the attacks, an FBI agent in Phoenix found it curious that so many Arabs were enrolled in flight school. But the FBI rebuffed his request for an investigation on the grounds that his suspicions were based on the same invidious racial profiling that has brought US Airways under investigation and into my good graces.
 
Lynne Stewart's client, the Blind Sheik, Omar Abdel-Rahman, is serving life in prison in a maximum security lock-up in Minnesota. One of the six imams removed from the US Airways plane was blind, so Lynne Stewart was the one missing clue that would have sent all the passengers screaming from the plane.
 
Wholly apart from the issue of terrorism, don't we have a seller's market for new immigrants? How does a blind Muslim get to the top of the visa list? Is there a shortage of blind, fanatical clerics in this country that I haven't noticed? Couldn't we get some Burmese with leprosy instead? A 4-year-old could do a better job choosing visa applicants than the U.S. Department of Immigration.
 
One of the stunt-imams in US Airways' advertising scheme, Omar Shahin, complained about being removed from the plane, saying: "Six scholars in handcuffs. It's terrible."
 
Yes, especially when there was a whole conference of them! Six out of 150 is called "poor law enforcement." How did the other 144 "scholars" get off so easy?
 
Shahin's own "scholarship" consisted of continuing to deny Muslims were behind 9/11 nearly two months after the attacks. On Nov. 4, 2001, The Arizona Republic cited Shahin's "skepticism that Muslims or bin Laden carried out attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon." Shahin complained that the government was "focusing on the Arabs, the Muslims. And all the evidence shows that the Muslims are not involved in this terrorist act."
 
In case your memory of that time is hazy, within three days of the attack, the Justice Department had released the names of all 19 hijackers — names like Majed Moqed, Ahmed Alghamdi, Mohand Alshehri, Ahmed Ibrahim A. Al Haznawi and Ahmed Alnami. The government had excluded all but 19 passengers as possible hijackers based on extensive interviews with friends and family of nearly every passenger on all four flights. Some of the hijackers' seat numbers had been called in by flight attendants on the planes.
 
By early October, bin Laden had produced a videotape claiming credit for the attacks. And by Nov. 4, 2001, The New York Times had run well over 100 articles on the connections between bin Laden and the hijackers — even more detailed and sinister than the Times' flowcharts on neoconservatives!
 
Also, if I remember correctly, al-Qaida had taken out full-page ads in Variety and the Hollywood Reporter thanking their agents for the attacks.
 
But now, on the eve of the busiest travel day in America, these "scholars" have ginned up America's PC victim machinery to intimidate airlines and passengers from noticing six imams chanting "Allah" before boarding a commercial jet.
 
 

(Edited by Andre Zantonavitch on 12/06, 3:26pm)




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Wednesday, December 6, 2006 - 6:15pmSanction this postReply
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Dated Dec 6?
Sorry, it's that damn time-travel machine again . . . it can never seem to get the dates right! I'm always returning either a day early or a day late.



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Wednesday, December 6, 2006 - 11:08pmSanction this postReply
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Those wicked imams should've been shipped in the cargo hold of the US Air jet.



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Thursday, December 7, 2006 - 12:31amSanction this postReply
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You mean the wheel well



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Thursday, December 7, 2006 - 4:44amSanction this postReply
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You mean the wheel well


Or simply fed to one of those hungry CFM56s. 

(Edited by Summer Serravillo on 12/07, 4:46am)




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Thursday, December 7, 2006 - 5:49amSanction this postReply
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http://www.planecrashinfo.com/rates.htm

This site gives ratings for all airlines:

There are many factors that contribute to the safety rating of an airline including, but not limited to, accident history, maintenance and operational procedures, types of training programs, age of fleet, management, and specific routes flown. In addition, many accidents are caused by circumstances beyond the control of the airline, including, operations and instrumentation at airports, Air Traffic Controller errors, collisions with other aircraft that are at fault, sabotage, manufacturer's design flaws, weather or just plain bad luck. Even if all factors could be factored in, an airline accident is such a rare event that a valid safety rating would be difficult. Accidents are extremely rare, with the probability of a passenger being killed on a single flight at approximately eight million-to-one. If a passenger boarded a flight at random, once a day, everyday, it would be approximately 22,000 years before he or she would be killed.

 




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Thursday, December 7, 2006 - 6:24amSanction this postReply
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Interesting site.  Now I understand why Raymond Babbitt insisted on flying Quantas...



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Thursday, December 7, 2006 - 9:41amSanction this postReply
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Chris Baker quotes:
Accidents are extremely rare, with the probability of a passenger being killed on a single flight at approximately eight million-to-one. If a passenger boarded a flight at random, once a day, everyday, it would be approximately 22,000 years before he or she would be killed.

This last sentence is a fallacious inference. The odds of eight million-to-one imply an incident once in approximately 22,000 years. However, the incident can be in ANY of those years -- maybe the first -- not simply the final year. Asserting it can only be in the final year denies it being random. 
 






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Friday, December 8, 2006 - 10:26amSanction this postReply
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The way this story was initially reported on t'v' on the national news for a few days was an absolute disgrace. The zero follow-up story and correction was far worse.     
I agree completely. When I first read anything about his story, it truly sounded as though people may have overreacted (especially since Minnesota---Minneapolis particularly---just elected a Muslim to Congress in the November 06 elections.)

But when I did a little digging on my own (and I hadn't seen Ann Coulter's humorous take until now) I did discover some of the facts, like the facts about their prayers and the seatbelts, and how they didn't sit in their assigned seats, and...

I can't say I would be comfortable with them on the plane. If the airline hadn't removed them, I would have removed myself. The passengers of Flight 93 are all definitely heroes...but they're all deceased heroes. I'm going to try to become and remain a living hero(ine) as long as I possibly can.  

Erica




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Friday, December 8, 2006 - 1:02pmSanction this postReply
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Merlin,

The whole point is that you are safer on a commercial airline than you are in many other places, such as:

Walking down the street
Crossing the street
In your car on most roads

I prefer to spend my time worrying about threats that are much more likely to occur. There are a whole lot of them.




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