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Friday, November 30, 2007 - 10:40amSanction this postReply
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"Religion of Peace"?  My ass!

Damned nutjobs!




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Friday, November 30, 2007 - 12:42pmSanction this postReply
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Of course, if this had happened in North Carolina, and the stuffed animal had been named "Jesus" the outcome would have been the same -- in both cases, the result of ignorant people not understanding life beyond their villages.  I found it especially ironic that the Sudanese ambassador to the UK is also named "Mohammed."  I think the children just gave the bear the most common name they knew.  If this had been Manilla or San Juan, the bear might indeed have been named Jesus.  You can't call the bear "Joe" because that dishonors Saint Joseph or maybe Joseph Stalin. I mean, why do we call them "Teddy" bears in the first place?  Was that not an insult?  President Roosevelt was not amused.

This weekend, at a convention, I introduced a guest speaker who attended my alma mater in the old days.  "Are you a Huron or an Eagle?" she asked.  I replied that twenty years from now the animal rights people are going to claim that animal mascots teach disrepect for animals and in the next generation, we will be called the EMU "Bricks."




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Friday, November 30, 2007 - 12:58pmSanction this postReply
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Of course, if this had happened in North Carolina, and the stuffed animal had been named "Jesus" the outcome would have been the same ...
No.  Don't try to imply that Christians are "just as bad"; they're not.




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Friday, November 30, 2007 - 1:58pmSanction this postReply
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But Laure, Marotta is right. North Carolina has a law stating naming a Teddy Bear "Jesus" or by any biblical name is a capital offense. In fact just last week a 12 year old girl named her stuffed animals after the apostles, and she got a death sentence by stoning.

/sarcasm



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Friday, November 30, 2007 - 2:24pmSanction this postReply
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North Carolina's State Constitution, Article 6 Section 8
"Disqualifications of office. The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God."

 

South Carolina had a similar law.  It was struck down by that state's supreme court.  In fact, it is our tradition (now) not to press these laws, though neither have they been challenged.  (Eight other states have them in place.)  Last Spring, in a class in Evidence and Procedure, we covered the rules for excluding a witness and failure of a religious test was one of them.  The instructor (a local district court judge) advised us not to attempt such a disqualification in court "... except in some rural places down South." 

 

These states also have religious exclusions in their constitutions.

Arkansas

Maryland

Massachusetts

Mississippi

Pennsylvania

Tennessee

Texas

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/StateConstitutions.htm

 




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Friday, November 30, 2007 - 5:29pmSanction this postReply
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Michael wrote:
Of course, if this had happened in North Carolina, and the stuffed animal had been named "Jesus" the outcome would have been the same...


Michael, you're on thin ice here. The issue in Sudan is not "disqualification from office" for failing to believe in God; it's being executed for being an "infidel."

Can you say "moral equivalency," boys and girls?





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Friday, November 30, 2007 - 5:52pmSanction this postReply
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If Western political or intellectual leaders had any worthwhile intelligence, virtue, and strategic sense -- and any poetic and heroic soul -- they'd immediately call for Westerners to send all the ugly, obscene, evil stuffed dolls they could to the White House -- all with the name "Mohammad" attached. Then George Bush could display and celebrate them in a prominent place, just before sending them off in a military plane to drop over Sudan. This would show those loathsome, evil Muslims what we think of them, and their nightmare, monster ideology! ;-)



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Friday, November 30, 2007 - 8:09pmSanction this postReply
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More like hundreds, not "thousands" called for her execution.  The BBC called the protests "good natured."  Ugh.

Video here.  




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Friday, November 30, 2007 - 9:10pmSanction this postReply
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From one of the video clip commentators:

If you go into Sudan today
You're sure of a big surprise.
If you go into Sudan today
You'd better go in disguise.

Today's the day the teddy bears are a prophet !




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Friday, November 30, 2007 - 9:55pmSanction this postReply
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Did the sudanese court also rule on the fate of the Muham.., I mean, Teddy Bear?



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Saturday, December 1, 2007 - 8:38amSanction this postReply
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Islam is a stain on the modern world. 



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Saturday, December 1, 2007 - 2:18pmSanction this postReply
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An Unbearable Insult

As one to have born the stigma for nigh on 40 years of being named after a stuffed animal, I can attest that the insult is indeed, almost unbearable.

Yet what the eff, Mike? "Of course, if this had happened in North Carolina, and the stuffed animal had been named "Jesus" the outcome would have been the same..." !? Such hyperbole makes atheists look like nutjobs. Faith of any kind is bad but the Christian religion (if one identifies that with Jesus' teachings and the modern positions of the mainstream churches) is not nearly so potent a force for evil as is isl@m, except perhaps in so far as it disarms the West in the face of isl@m. Had I been the Pope, you can be sure what I'd have done when the Saudi king tried to present me with a sword.

Ted Keer



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Sunday, December 2, 2007 - 9:46amSanction this postReply
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1. The people demanding execution and announcing their own willingness to die were a mob, not the government. 

2. The complaint was brought under law by an employee of the school.

3. Sudan is a hardline Muslim state.  It is where Darfur is.  So, the teacher could not have been "an innocent abroad" unless she was a blithering idiot abroad.  There is a black market in pork in Riyadh (or so I have been told).  When in Rome...

4.  The government of Sudan seems willing to get rid of her.  They arrested her for her own good lest the mob get to her. 

5.  The good Christian folk of North Carolina are not enlightened and liberal.  They merely lack any more political power than to deprive atheists of the privilege of holding office.  (In other states non-believers cannot testify in court.)  We know for a rock solid fact that given more political power, any religion will use it.

6.  It is nice to have the Muslims to kick around, but as I remember Objectivism, back in the good old days, we rejected religion and socialism both, even though, admittedly perhaps, our own Christian neighbors were nicer people than the KGB.  (As if the KGB were a standard of some kind.)  Objectivism does not compromise. 

7. If it is mere "moral relativism" to point out the implicit danger in all faith, then, what is your hierarchy of rights?  According to my understanding of Objectivism, the right to property is the right to life. "Property rights" (so-called) are in fact human rights.  Anyone who would violate your right -- or is it a privilege? -- to vote will not stop there.  If they would, then we did not need the last 100 pages of Atlas Shrugged from the moment Mr. Thompson told John Galt that as a liberal -- not  thug like Cuffy Meigs -- he was open to a deal.  

8. How many here actually work with Muslims on a daily basis?  People are people.  They believe what they do to justify choices they have already made, here on RoR, as much as anyplace else.  I have classmates and professional peers who happen to be Muslims.  I have never been threatened by one.  (Maybe I am just lucky ... or maybe I am just not in Iraq ... or the Sudan.) 

9a.  How often are you threatened Christians?  Ever been harassed by a Christian missionary?  (How many Muslims come to your home wanting to talk about Allah?)  Ever meet a Jehovah's Witness.  Oh, the Jehovahs are all nice enough, to be  sure: no sword waving dancing in the street yelling for blood from them. So, next time one rings your doorbell, invite them (plural: they travel in packs) in for tea and chat about The Law of Identity. 

9b. Next time you read in your local paper about some Christian decency group wanting to ban Harry Potter in the schools, show up to the school board meeting and announce yourself to be an atheist, a radical for egoistic capitalism, an advocate of the virtue of selfishness who finds Harry Potter's non-spirtual, mechanistic kind of magic more or less entertaining, and you really like it when he zaps his fat, stupid, ignorant, narrow-minded muggles.  (Think you'll make it home safe?) 

10. Finally, go back and read my initial post.  There was nothing in it that justified the original outrage.  In fact, I pointed out that the ambassador is named Mohammed.  (In my culture, we did not name people Jesus, though we were told in advance that other cultures do this, so don't laugh when you meet a Puerto Rican named Jesus.)  As I said, I think the kids just named him "Joe" and it got out of control based on ignorance.  Then Laure said... and John could not refrain... and Bob got in on the act... and Ted jumped on the the pile...  and next thing you know, I am being chased through the streets of RoR by an angry mob...  (cue the banjos...)




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Sunday, December 2, 2007 - 11:02amSanction this postReply
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The Spanish Inquisition Killed Theo van Gogh

Okay, Mike, so your post was a joke? In any case, Objectivists do compromise, not on basic principles, no. But they do compromise in other circumstances even so far as voting for Richard Nixon - so what you mean by your "no compromise" statement is unclear.

Objectivism has no truck with faith, like the faith of isolationists who think that if we just don't antagonize bullies they won't notice us or faith in the inherent evil of North Carolinians, or Faith that 9/11 was a joint CIA-Mossad affair. Marcus Bachelor predicted burnings of The God Delusion in the streets of the US. But the recent spate of books on atheism are all easy to find. It is Oriana Fallaci's works that NYC booksellers hide and refuse to shelve.

A mob is a mob is a mob. But identifying them as Christians implies that they are truly guided by Christian principles. M^slim principles exhort one to violence and murder. What sayings of Jesus do so?

I suggest you read some of Christopher "NeoCon" Hitchens comments about his reception among Christians and in the Bible belt. If your assertions had an ounce of truth, he'd be 10 times more dead than Theo van Gogh.

The enemy is not Religion and the State, not Communism and Christianity, but rather Faith and (the initiation of) Force. As did many of us before recent events, Rand in her day probably saw isl@m as a spent force. But there is no other force in the world today that comes so close as isl@m to the ultimate expression of Faith and Force - the death wish deified.

Ted Keer

(Edited by Ted Keer on 12/02, 4:03pm)




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Monday, December 3, 2007 - 9:57amSanction this postReply
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And now, Americans, page two for the rest of the story....
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/12/03/sudan.school/index.html


(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 12/03, 10:02am)




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Monday, December 3, 2007 - 12:05pmSanction this postReply
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YouTuber Pat Condell says Laugh at Sudan.



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Monday, December 3, 2007 - 4:59pmSanction this postReply
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Thank you, Kyrel!  Pat Condell is outstanding!  Here are other links to his works:

In Jesus' Name
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZO2u-jDNpQ

United States of Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f01IBDoZGg

The Myth of Islamophobia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR9LVf_KMO0




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Monday, December 3, 2007 - 7:24pmSanction this postReply
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Here is an even larger collection of Pat Condell videos.
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=patcondell




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