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Saturday, February 16 - 7:45pmSanction this postReply
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If this is compassion one would hate to see true insensitivity.





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Sunday, February 17 - 10:31amSanction this postReply
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What have the Africans done for us lately?

What are they to us, or we to them?

Bob Kolker




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Sunday, February 17 - 2:49pmSanction this postReply
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Bob:

Here's a start:

http://reportweb.usitc.gov/africa/trade_balance.jsp



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Monday, February 18 - 7:38amSanction this postReply
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Bob -

As I say in my piece, I hope Africans aren't sitting around asking what they can do for us but, rather, what they can do for themselves.

 

As to what are they to us or us to them, we are all human beings. We should not live for one another but we should see it as a tragedy when individuals are not able create for themselves prosperous and happy lives because of political tyranny, worse when the efforts of our own government through foreign aid buttresses the governments who keep people down.

 

Morally healthy humans should not let themselves be depressed because there are individuals in the world who suffer through no fault of their own. One's own happiness should be one's focus. But a healthy human cannot help but be saddened by the plight of those who suffer from diseases or natural disasters, and angered when individuals are held down by the force of corrupt governments. And a healthy human can't help but see as as tragic those who both suffer injustice and also contribute to their own suffering by accepting erroneous beliefs--usually political or religious-that prevent them from changing a bad political system of culture.




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Monday, February 18 - 8:10amSanction this postReply
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I cannot help but think that trying to improve the lives of Africans is akin to pissing up a rope. A futile act in which one wets his own trousers.

I would sooner try to teach my pet donkey differential equations than try to help Africans.

Perhaps I am a pessimist, but I see a Lost Cause. What facts indicate otherwise?

Bob Kolker




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Monday, February 18 - 12:59pmSanction this postReply
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Bob - If I were recommending where to invest your dollars right now, Africa would not be on the top of the list. Point of interest though, the Chinese have made major investments there and will reap the benefits of economic growth if and when it comes. My point was to explain the situation and offer the solution.

And let's remember that 50 years ago few would have bet on Asia as a place to invest. Latin America with countries like Brazil and Argentina seemed a better bet. Today some of the African countries--Botswana, Uganda--have made economic changes that promise better future growth.

It is also important to recognize the terrible effects of tribalism on that continent. Collective identity is always a problem and when it is so narrow as in many African countries, the results are what we saw in Rwanda.

(Edited by Ed Hudgins on 2/18, 1:01pm)




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Wednesday, February 20 - 4:55amSanction this postReply
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Ed writes:


It is also important to recognize the terrible effects of tribalism on that continent. Collective identity is always a problem and when it is so narrow as in many African countries, the results are what we saw in Rwanda.


I reply:

Ain't that awful. Now what does this have to do with Americans? How is this our problem? Did we cause it? If not, why are we part of the solution?

Bob Kolker





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Wednesday, February 20 - 7:04amSanction this postReply
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Bob - My point was not to say that some collective "we" has a duty to cure the world's problems, including this one. It was to point out the economic and, especially, moral and philosophical origins of those problems; how U.S. aid policies often make matters worse; and how those who are involved with these matters might proceed, for example, by promoting capitalism rather than blaming it. And as I said earlier, while it might not be our problem, all human beings, Objectivists especially, should be disgusted by such tragedies and realize the power of ideas, good and bad.



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Wednesday, February 20 - 8:59amSanction this postReply
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My point is that Africa is full of potential markets. Where markets are are where people are, people who will spend a large portion of their time dreaming up ways to buy things we sell into their markets. Some of these people may come up with things to trade with us that we might come to want very much. The more of these markets there are the better off we all are. More markets means more motivation for better ideas. Markets make people think. Sounds like something objectivists would be for. I thought I was being obvious.



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Wednesday, February 20 - 1:23pmSanction this postReply
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Fine. When the Africans have something to sell us that it makes sense for us to buy, we will buy it. We won't have to be doing them any favors. Just plain old business. No one is doing anyone any favors, but everyone wins.

Bob Kolker




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