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Thursday, April 3 - 1:53pm

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Loyalty to the State.

That is right out of Harace Mann's play book. Mann was very impressed by the Prussian System wherein schooling became a State function with the main intent to produce a well behaved and compliant workforce. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_education_system

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Horace Mann was largely responsible for the introduction of compulsory public education, Prussian-style, in the United States. In 1852, he supported governor Edward Everett in the decision to adopt the Prussian education system in Massachusetts. Shortly after Everett and Mann collaborated to adopt the Prussian system, the Governor of New York set up the same method in twelve different New York schools on a trial basis.

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The State is Mother. The State is Father. Service to the State, Glory to the Race.

Bob Kolker

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Thursday, April 3 - 8:15pm

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I once again urge anyone interested in the issue of education and mis-education to check out http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/

and also Joel Spring's excellent work in discovering the hidden history of the actual conspiracy by the proto-progressives out of Harvard to install their system to produce the "New Socialist Man," a conspiracy which suceeded, finding its culmination in the Dewey/Thorndike "progressive education."

I note also that one of the biographies of Montessori http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/0452279895/104-2295354-7246318?SubscriptionId=11NRD61HE570TCSR99R2
was, I believe, offered by NBI in the '60's and provides some detail about the war circu 1907 to the late 1920's, between the followers of Montessori and the followers of Dewey, with virtually all the creative thinkers on the Montessori side, with the doctrinaire "progressive" educators from academia on Dewey's. Unfortunately, the Depression wiped out the income base for all the private schools, including Montessori, which disappeared from the U.S. until the '60's, following the discovery of Piaget by American academia and the educational outcomes research from the University of Chicago, as popularized in Joan Beck's classic "How to Raise a Brighter Child," also offered by NBI.

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Friday, April 4 - 7:53am

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Phil - thanks for the link to Underground Education. This is fantastic stuff. You can read the whole book online if you wish.

I highly recommend that everyone take a look at it.

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Friday, April 4 - 8:21am

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Ed, you should read Rebirth of Reason, an Objectivist website with good information. For instance, this "Gallery" item. That actually is a link to this Time magazine story. The "Gallery" item is from March 8. The story is from March 7. The ruling came down on February 27. Regulars readers of "RoR" stay well informed and I recommend it highly!

Making "Star Spangled Banner" our "national anthem" -- that there even exists such a thing as a "national anthem" -- and the adoption of the "Pledge of Allegiance" are both the work of collectivists.

"The Star Spangled Banner" was recognized for official use by the Navy in 1889 and the President in 1916, and was made the national anthem by a congressional resolution on March 3, 1931 (46 Stat. 1508, codified at 36 USC �301), which was signed by President Herbert Hoover.

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian Socialist, and the cousin of Socialist Utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850-1898) ...
Pledge of Allegiance -- From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My mother was born in 1931 and she learned the Pledge in the same manner shown in the movie made from G. Gordon Liddy's biography, Will: You start facing the flag with your hand on your heart.... "I pledge allegiance..." then extend your arm and raise your hand ... " to the flag ..." continue and complete. Yes, it is a fascist salute.

Dime created under Woodrow Wilson's presidency and continued through Roosevelt II. During this period, the average unskilled worker eaned about a dime an hour.

Reverse of 1938 Mercury Head Dime

The quarter dollar of 1932, commemorating Washington and replacing the Standing Liberty. The process began with the Lincoln Cent of 1909, which replaced Miss Liberty as an Indian Princess. The Jefferson Nickel replaced the male Indianhead or "Buffalo." The process continued after World War II and today, all regular (circulating) U.S. Mint issues display dead politicians.

1932-D Washington Quarter Reverse

Two more coins of the same time...

The U.S. Mint has been notoriously incapable of original work. The so-called "Barber" series is a direct knock-off of the issues of Monnaie de Paris of the same period. Likewise, the much-touted "Walking Liberty" (used now on the Government Silver Eagle ounce coins) is "La Semeuse" of French coin designer Oscar Roty. In the examples above, you can see the ideological theme of the time. Progressivism was punctuated by two global wars and an series of economic contractions called "The Great Depression."

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 4/04, 8:31am)

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Friday, April 4 - 8:59pm

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Michael,

As I said in the preview of it, I news-linked to this John Stossel article because it went well -- what I called "too well" -- with Bill's recent Commie Dearest news link. The telling point was that Stossel's own preview included the quote "loyalty to the state."

Get it? "Loyalty to the state" ... "Commie Dearest" [... same, same ... wink, wink ... nudge, nudge ...]

That's the full context of it -- not just your limited context where this is all just a game of 'Sports Fans' one-up-manship (complete with a "who said it first?" mentality).

So save the sarcasm for someone that it will work on (or get called-out on it; I guess).

Ed

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Wednesday, April 9 - 7:04am

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Once again want to say how amazing this book is. Look at this chapter on the "true believers" and you see collectivism in action: http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/5a.htm

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Wednesday, April 9 - 8:26am

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Yes - have a 'prepublication' copy - one of the best books on the subject if not the best.... for sure a 'must have' for the library....

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Friday, April 11 - 6:23am

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I am having some disagreements with Chapter 8, I think he believes too much in the "idyllic village" idea and too little in the benefits of the modern world, I don't think that strong individualism and family are at odds with it, and he seems to think they are. Then again, he is not an Objectivist of course.