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Sunday, April 20 - 11:28pmSanction this postReply
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I'd be interested to see if there are statistical differences demographically. There's no external link here, Bill. Will you share the source with me so that I can begin my investigation into this matter?

Ed



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Monday, April 21 - 5:36amSanction this postReply
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"I  bet that genetic variations are partially responsible for people differing in their abilities to inhibit their emotional responses."

I bet that it can be learned.  If you do this "accidentally" and find a "reward" for it, you do it again more easily.  I suggest this based on learning to fly.  You learn to handle emergencies by putting the emotions "out of mind" so to speak.

I will also grant that as Ed asks, there may be demographics to this, with some populations being more emotional than others. Maybe it is "inherited" or "learned" or maybe a "gene" or a "tendency." It is not very newsworthy when Muslims rush out into the street to burn an effigy over a cartoon.  What would it take to get 1000 Danes to do that?  Inherited or learned or both, there are differences between individuals and differences among aggregates of them.




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Monday, April 21 - 1:15pmSanction this postReply
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Ed,

My apologies for not including the link, but this news item was buried in a long webpage, making it difficult for someone to locate. I've since found a more convenient link to it, but it doesn't appear to give any more information than you already have.

At any rate, here it is: http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/003270.html.

- Bill



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Monday, April 21 - 4:42pmSanction this postReply
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I'd be interested to see if there are statistical differences demographically.

Is intelligence a demographic, because that's a statistical difference I'd like to see measured here.




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Monday, April 21 - 4:55pmSanction this postReply
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Sanctioned that one, Teresa....;-)



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Monday, April 21 - 6:57pmSanction this postReply
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The invocation of strong emotions and stress is SOP for bullies of all kinds.  Other recent studies have shown that verbal aggression causes the same kind of stress response, involving the release of large amounts of cortisol, as physical aggression.  Moreover, the ability to respond to a stressful event is apparently key in determining the long-term impact of the stress.   A major recent study involving bureaucrats in Britain demonstrated a direct link between lifespan and ones position in the hierarchy.  What really mattered in terms of reducing lifespan was, however, not the position as such, but whether one had any control over what one actually did.

Wouldn't it be interesting if it is found that being a bully actually increases lifespan?  Rather depressing, actually, but I have seen studies that indicated that the bully style manager is able to offload stress to subordinates by aggression against them.  Also, there were studies with rats some years back that showed that the rats who were bullied by other rats developed deficits in memory and general intelligence. 

On that note:  I'm soliciting suggestions as to ways to trump bullies, and thereby cash in on the stress alleviation that comes with successful retaliation.  One obvious target is the jerks who drive around with the "cars with a boom," willy-nilly interrupting everyone else's life, destroying their normal sleep patterns in the middle of the night, making conversation or listening to one's own source of music or talk show impossible, and in general committing mayhem against random strangers in a a radius of up to over a hundred feet. 

These are people who are demonstrably evil and committed to hurting other people on a mass scale, and if nasty things happened to them or their vehicles, then in general the world would be a better place for it.  So far, I've been thinking about ways to inflict costly damage to their vehicles.

There are actually quite a number of websites devoted to this issue, as it turns out.  However, the damage caused by the aggressors is diffuse and temporary, for each separate incident, while the stereo shops and their suppliers who provide the 2,000 Watt subwoofers that are so common and cheap have the kind of concentrated interest that politicians, such as city council members, naturally listen to.  (See Bastiat's "The Seen and the Unseen."

In my area of the OC, most of the aggressors are Hispanic males, with the typical machismo idiocy.  I was thinking about doing some fake ads for sub-woofer systems in which the ficticious stereo shop was selling systems labeled something like "Putos with a BOOM!", implying that users of these devices were actually male homosexual prostitutes.  I think that I could generate some rather pointed cartoons to go with the phony ad and then glue the ads around the area to bus stops and telephone poles.  Thoughts???

(Edited by Phil Osborn on 4/21, 7:06pm)




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Tuesday, April 22 - 3:40amSanction this postReply
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Thoughts???
Phil,  You've once again created a post which is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.




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Tuesday, April 22 - 7:22pmSanction this postReply
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What was the topic, anyway?  Too stressed to recall...

Oh... Emotional Distractions Hobble Memory Formation
 
But I thought I was precisely on topic.  A great deal of the mindlessness and subjectivism that we see all around us is very likely a result of stress involving emotions - usually negative.  In fact, I'll mention two other studies that further reinforce the general idea that emotions interfere with memory.  One had to do with people's response to criticism.  It turned out that people who were emotionally stressed by harsh, demeaning criticism were virtually unable to learn from the experience, as opposed to people who were treated as human beings.  The people who were browbeaten kept making the same errors that resulted in the aggression against them, over and over, while the people who were treated civilly were able much more often to integrate the information and avoid making the same kind of mistake.

The other study looked at the effect of sexual arousal and orgasms on memory formation.  It seems - and this it truly sad - that arousal and especially sex leading to orgasm could be shown to virtually erase any detailed memory of the event.  I've seen this phenomynon myself.  Sometimes when I'm with a sex partner, and they get really carried away, afterwards I will mention something that really struck me about their sensual response, and be surprised to learn that they have absolutely no memory of it, although they were certainly very much aware of it at the time.

Part of this general phenomynon might be related to the state-dependent nature of memory, as well, I suppose.  When I was getting my physics degree and working full time in the late '60's, I would sometimes have to cram for exams, using amphetamine to absorb huge amounts of information in a few hours time.  This worked very well for the exam itself, but the day after the information was largely gone.  If I then used amphetamine for another exam, however, a couple days later, I would notice that the information I had crammed a few days before seemed suddenly accessible again.  I note that a good deal of the effect of amphetamine is traceable to an increase in adrenaline.




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Thursday, April 24 - 4:37pmSanction this postReply
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Phil, I'll bet those subwoofers are imported and sold by the same secretive Chinese co-workers who used to sell you crank. If you slept with them, however, you may not remember this.




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