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Wednesday, April 23 - 7:10amSanction this postReply
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Well, yes, Dean, but WHY was Russia the "Soviet Union" when Marx expected Britain France and Germany to be the first proletarian dictatorships? 

Why do southerners all over the world suffer so much when they have all the resources -- and always had.  For 10,000 years, they walked over the gold, the diamonds, the oil, the uranium.  They had trade and commerce.  I think that the story of Timbuktu is fascinating: salt from the sea across the desert for gold from Egypt.  ... but it never changed or really improved the cultures it touched...  I mentioned having a lesson from the Dalai Lama.  The story of Tibet includes elements of capitalism that most people miss.  How did this cold, dry place with no agriculture to speak of have a need for silver coins, such a need that these Buddhist monks went to war -- via a mercenary army -- to protect their currency from debasement!  and yet... nothing came of that...  The history of China shows inventions contemporaneous with or ahead of similar technologies in the West.  Everyone knows that "spaghetti" is really ramen noodles.  But nothing came of it...

The factors are complex.  "Individualism" (so-called) is one factor, but Nigeria is regarded as an "individualist" place because of certain norms within the dominant populations: your success in life is up to you, basically, not a reflection of or on your family or tribe.  It didn't do much for them...

In this case, I point to the fact that life is easy in the south.  It is warm and pleasant.  You get too hot if you run around and there is no need to run around: a little resource management goes a long way -- slash and burn, rotate your fields... It's pretty easy...  So easy that they never rewarded intelligence the way people on the edges of the ice sheets did. 

Then, there is the problem of "race" (so-called).  The people who succeeded were those who were a genetic "melting pot" (i.e. dumping ground).  They call new sailors "swabbies" and their first duty is to "swab" the deck.  That is "Schwaben" the Swabians from upcountry Rheinland who followed the river down to the lowlands (Nether-lands) in search of adventure.  England with its Britons, Romans, Saxons and Vikings and Normans constantly churned with new genetic inputs grew the people who founded a workable America.  Spain was almost there... almost... Arab, Berber, Jew, German, Celt, Spain had it all, but the hegemony of Isabella cleared the table and Spain starved for intellecutal achievement.  And then there is America, the classic case.  Find me an American who is purely anything.  The race-conscious tallies from Washington DC now have to let us pick which "Other" fills in our blanks.   Statistically speaking, every population group has the same distribution, but not every group rewards the same individuals in the same ways.

So, there is ideology, culture, climate, genetics... to say nothing of weather...     In this case, I would just say that the way to cure their problem is to bring a glacier all the way down to Tallahassee.




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Wednesday, April 23 - 5:56pmSanction this postReply
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Great post response Michael. I couldn't open the originating link tho.



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Wednesday, April 23 - 7:07pmSanction this postReply
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Here is the article from Google's cache:

While life expectancy in the United States has risen steadily since the 1960s, a new study [published Tuesday] finds that in certain geographic areas of the country, life expectancy has stagnated, and even declined, especially among women.

From 1960 to 2000, life expectancy in the United States rose by seven years for men and six years for women. However, beginning in the 1980s, large geographic disparities began to appear.

The study analyzed health data from every county in the United States. According to lead author Majid Ezzati, Associate Professor of International health at Harvard School of Public Health the "worst off" were among lower income Americans concentrated in the southern states.

He says in these communities race did not seem to affect life expectancy. "It is something associated with the way policies are implemented, with the way health systems are providing health services to people in different parts of the country or not providing services to people."

Ezzati points to chronic disease related to increases in smoking, high blood pressure and obesity as factors driving the trend. He says while much is known about how to manage these conditions, care is not reaching the people who need it the most. Women have experienced the most serious declines.

Over the last 20 years, life expectancy has either declined or stagnated for one of out every five women compared with four percent of men. Ezzati finds this a grim statistic for an industrialized nation. "We don't associate worsening of health, worsening of life expectancy with something that happens in a developed high-income country."

Ezzati says he saw such disparities after the fall of the Soviet Union and after the social networks fell apart in Eastern Europe. "That is the sort of thing that we see over long periods and what is happening with HIV/AIDS in some countries in Africa."

Ezzati says he hopes the study raises awareness about health care in America and pushes health officials and the public to monitor those being left behind. "That monitoring should be telling us something about what sort of interventions, what sort of policies can reverse this and then hopefully provide the resources for it."

Researchers from Harvard School of Public Health and the University of Washington contributed to the study published in PloS Medicine.



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Wednesday, April 23 - 9:03pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Dean

From the excerpt you give, I take it he can't specify whether or not these are smokers, victims of violence, laborers or immigrants (trends that would have an detrimental effect and that have been documented among women) but he can vaguely assert that "It is something associated with the way policies are implemented, with the way health systems are providing health services to people in different parts of the country or not providing services to people."

Of course.



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Saturday, April 26 - 10:28amSanction this postReply
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It's easy to believe the statistics here (that some of us are dying faster now), but the interpretation -- or the solution -- offered is even easier to disbelieve.

The solution isn't more, but less, health care policies. This is the difference between being pro-Business and being pro-Free Market. Pro-business types would think it okay for taxpayer money to be diverted to some businesses in order to fix this problem. Pro-Free Market types wouldn't.

The reason that some of us are dying faster now has to do with the fascism already present in agencies such as the FDA. I will remind U.S. Citizens that we're the only major country where AgriBusiness helps to write the nutrition policy (other countries see this as disingenuously fascist or, at least, "corporatist").

Ed



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Saturday, April 26 - 2:46pmSanction this postReply
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Dean,  The statistic regarding accidental death related to prescrption medication is part of the reason for the life expectancy projections. Accidental deaths involving prescription drugs increased 121.4%  between 1992 and 2002.

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(Edited by Gigi P Morton on 4/26, 6:05pm)




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Saturday, April 26 - 4:07pmSanction this postReply
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Gigi,

Would you share with me where it is that you got your (121% in last 5 years) figure?

Ed



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Saturday, April 26 - 5:55pmSanction this postReply
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Hi Ed,  I mis-spoke. The 121.4% increase was between 1992-2002. 33,000 died in 2005, from accidental poisoning/overdose of prescrption medication as well, w/ a 5% increase in 2006. I retrieve the information from the CDC website and census.gov .
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr56/nvsr56_05.pdf                              
 I did a youtube query just now and found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGAQMpgTkbl   , which I'd like to look into....those numbers are HIGH.

(Edited by Gigi P Morton on 4/26, 7:09pm)

(Edited by Gigi P Morton on 4/26, 9:38pm)




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Saturday, April 26 - 8:09pmSanction this postReply
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Gigi,

Both of the links that you gave didn't work. The CDC link says "Not found" and the YouTube links says "Not available." Is there, by chance, a third link ... ?

:-)

Ed



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Saturday, April 26 - 9:35pmSanction this postReply
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Hmmm..  I don't understand why the above wont link." Trends in unintentional drug poisoning deaths." October 24th 2007 , Paulozzi , Leonard MD, MPH
has some info. http://www.hhs.gov/asl/testify/2007/10/t20071024a.html




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Saturday, April 26 - 9:50pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Gigi!

That last link worked.

Ed



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Saturday, April 26 - 9:55pmSanction this postReply
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Your Welcome Ed, I also have these, http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe  and  http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheet/poisoning.html  .  That also don't work..heh. I guess you just have to go straight to cdc.gov and do the search. I also wanted to mention the 27,000 + deaths (over 4 years) caused by Vioxx alone, it and Gardisil, caused me to become curious. I have a mother-in-law with arthritis and two daughters,and the mandates being tossed around concerning this HPV vaccine are of concern. One of the many reason I hate the idea of Universal Health.
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Saturday, April 26 - 11:02pmSanction this postReply
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Gigi,

The link that worked described the majority of this increase in prescription drug deaths as the personal drug-addict over-dosing of prescription opioid analgesics (Oxycontin, Vicodin, methadone, etc).

Were you aware of that? Do you have any links to non-opioid death rates?

I appreciate anything that you can give me, and if you're already overwhelmed with my seemingly endless requests -- then I appreciate the help that you've already given me.

Ed






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Sunday, April 27 - 3:01pmSanction this postReply
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Ed, I'm sorry for the delay in my response and your questions are fine. I searched at cdc.gov, then click injury etc., then chose the earliest dates and searched under un-intentional poisining . The numbers and explanation don't add up in the testimony that you were able to link, not to mention that more elderly (presumably on 1 or 2 medications) are also dying from falls then before. If you google "deaths: leading causes for 2004" or "overdose death rate surges, legal drugs are mostly to blame." (article by alternet drug reporter) or "death: preliminary data for 2005." , you will, hopefully, get the information from doing that. If I remember any other source I will post it. Thank you for your patients....  ;) Gigi



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