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Friday, April 25 - 12:18pmSanction this postReply
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The moral response is to call for these jackals, the judge and the prosecutors, to be nailed to  walls and flogged for their immorality - indeed, in olden times they'd be tarred and feathered and ridden out of town on rails....  they're certainly no paragons of virtue, but are thugs, snots with the mindset of mafioso [indeed, ol Joe would have loved them, in his odd way].....

the prudent response, however, is to stay under the radar and, as in Unintended Consequences, subject them to their proper due, and be mindful of one's own endeavors.......

(Edited by robert malcom on 4/25, 12:20pm)




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Friday, April 25 - 1:19pmSanction this postReply
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Totally uncalled for to put him in jail.  The fines and a probationary sentence are more than enough.  Of course I don't agree with the whole thing at all, but they cannot do that without getting rid of taxes first - but they don't have to be draconian, that is just unacceptable.  What really pisses me off is that true thieves routinely get probation, and just go on thieving.  This is all money Snipes earned legally.  The tax issue may have to exist, but it should not be punitive like this.



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Saturday, April 26 - 2:51pmSanction this postReply
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I mention again in passing the Anthony L. Hargis case, in which Hargis spent 6 months in jail for refusing to turn over his customers records without being presented a search warrant, subpoena or court order, under the new law (whose full contents are a state secret, BTW) which allows agents from a slew of federal bureaucracies to demand all customer records from just about any business, without any legal paperwork other than their demand, and no justification, either.

Hargis was financially ruined and ~1,100 customers lost all the money that they had invested in a gold account with his company, which had been in business for 25 years, and yet not one person was convicted of any crime.

A similarly chilling account of the fed's ability to destroy someone without recourse was told in an interview with the victim a day or two ago on NPR.  A professor had the horrible start to his day on discovering his wife dead beside him in bed from heart failure, at which point he called the emergency number and the fire department responded.  They discovered suspicious-looking laboratory apparatus (the fire dept. personnel were clueless about biochemistry) in the house and called in Homeland Security who arrested the guy and subjected him to hours and hours of interrogation, meanwhile seizing his wife's body for an autopsy and completely trashing his home, as well as closing his bank accounts, credit cards and access to any other personal assets, and also trying to have him fired at his university job.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Apr21/0,4670,BioArt,00.html

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/art/category/art_crime/

ALL the agencies involved have long since declared that they found no dangerous materials or any evidence of wrongdoing at the house or elsewhere.  In fact, the professor and his wife were doing contract projects at home.  Nonetheless, once the arrest and prosecution and trashing of personal property was done, it was then incumbant upon the feds to justify their idiocies somehow, in order to avoid potential damage claims as well as nasty publicity.

So, they went after the poor guy on wire-fraud charges, which he says are typically used as a last defense in order to force a penniless victim to sign off on a disclaimer for any damages.  This is what is called "piling on."  Police routinely file every possible charge in a case, whether or not there is any conceivable merit, in order to have a fall-back to cover their asses when the original charges are tossed out, knowing that the victim has limited resources compared to the authorities.

Fortunately, this guy had a lot of friends, who financed his defense, and he won, although the feds can appeal.  He is the exception, however.  Some 150,000 National Security Letters have reportedly been sent, in which the recipient is not allowed to notify anyone or tell anyone that they have even received the letter, on pain of severe penalties.   See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Letter

Without an actual victim, the federal courts will generally not hear a constitutional challenge to a law.  However, under the Patriot Act, the victims who have their lives trashed from the demands of some National Security Letter are not allowed to even identify themselves or to tell any of the details related to the damages, and in virtually every case that the ACLU or other parties have brought, the feds have simply claimed that there was a "national security issue," and the judge has in response completely gagged the victims from presenting any relevant testimony, and, without any testimony, guess what the judge then has to do with the case?  Catch 22.




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Saturday, April 26 - 9:31pmSanction this postReply
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Ya know, if I have said it once, I have said it a thousand times. One should not break laws to try and get them changed. Breaking laws only gets you put in prison. This goes for any, and all laws. Even if they are subjective and unjust.
   Wesley Snipes should have used his name and influence to get tax laws changed. Or maybe run for government office, and influence policy that way. The way he went about it was all wrong.
   The judge made an example of Wesley Snipes. He used Snipes name to tell other would be tax evaders that it doesn't pay to not pay. 





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Sunday, April 27 - 6:01amSanction this postReply
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David,

Tell that to Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks.   




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Tuesday, April 29 - 3:21amSanction this postReply
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They didn't break any laws. They broke the unwritten rules.



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Tuesday, April 29 - 3:53amSanction this postReply
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David -

So you're unfamiliar with "Jim Crow" laws?  Rosa Parks spent time in jail for breaking these laws and so did King.

In your opinion, what is the difference between a breaking a law that can land you in jail and breaking a rule with the same result?  Laws are rules, aren't they?




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Tuesday, April 29 - 5:20amSanction this postReply
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David Earl St.Clair: "They didn't break any laws. They broke the unwritten rules. "

My understanding is that the rules were written out quite clearly.  In fact, when I lived in Charleston, South Carolina, 1967-1969, I saw several "Colored Entrance" signs daily in my college neighborhood.  One was for the city park.  It was for a restroom: Men... Women... Colored...

     

As for the laws being laws, I assure you that they were laws.  "...on June 4, 1956, the federal district court ruled that Alabama's racial segregation laws for buses were unconstitutional." (Wikipedia)

Plessy v. Ferguson, 163 U.S. 537 (1896), was a landmark United States Supreme Court decision in the jurisprudence of the United States, upholding the constitutionality of racial segregation even in public accommodations (particularly railroads), under the doctrine of "separate but equal".
The decision was handed down by a vote of 7 to 1, with the majority opinion written by Justice Henry Billings Brown and the dissent written by Justice John Marshall Harlan, (with Justice David Josiah Brewer not participating in this case). "Separate but equal" remained standard doctrine in U.S. law until its final repudiation in the later Supreme Court decision Brown v. Board of Education (1954).  (Wikipedia)

(BTW, Plessy was visibly white.   He had to identify himself as a Negro in order to be forced off the train coach so that suit could be brought. These were laws.  In the wake of Plessy v. Ferguson, more laws were enacted.  In fact, the Federal government was re-segregated during the administration of Woodrow Wilson.)




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