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Monday, May 19, 2008 - 4:21pmSanction this postReply
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Obama an appeaser? How dare you!


excerpts from Mark Steyn's syndicated article:

It says something for Democrat touchiness that the minute a guy makes a generalized observation about folks who appease terrorists and dictators the Dems assume: Hey, they're talking about me. Actually, he wasn't — or, to be more precise, he wasn't talking onlyabout you.

Increasingly, the Western world has attitudes rather than policies...

It's easier to get the doers to pass themselves off as talkers then to get the talkers to rouse themselves to do anything.

...That's why that Hamas honcho endorsed Obama: They know he's their best shot at getting a European foreign minister installed as president of the United States.

...Here are some words of Hussein Massawi, the former leader of Hezbollah: "We are not fighting so that you will offer us something. We are fighting to eliminate you."


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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 1:18amSanction this postReply
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You know what? You people should really stop worrying about what damage a couple hundred thousand militants can do in the middle east, and start worrying about what kind of damage a couple hundred million Christian and Jewish militants can do in the USA. Because, I can almost guarantee, once they are done with Islam, Atheism is next on their list.
    I hear on radio programs, and television talk shows, on a weekly basis, that they already think we are trying to create a secular, God free America. I hear that Atheist are attacking them for what they believe, and that we want to destroy their religions. I hear them saying that they have to fight back against the secular lobby, (What there is of one). I hear people like Michael Medved, Rush Limbaugh, Lars Larson, and Bill O'Rielly speak out against me because of my beliefs, or lack there of. But what I don't hear, or read, is anyone on this site speaking out against the Religious Right in this country, and the war they are about to wage against Atheism. 
   I honestly don't give a damn if Hamas endorses Barack Obama. Because when it comes right down to the nitty gritty, that endorsement means nothing. It means about as much as the grand dragon of the KKK endorsing John McCain.
   


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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 7:46amSanction this postReply
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But David, that would mean acknowledging that Leonard Peikoff is right ( or at least on the right track!), and that we should all vote Democrat across the board...




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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 11:02amSanction this postReply
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Windows into Men's Souls

The reason why Hamas endorsed Obama is a valid concern. If the KKK endorsed McCain because McCain was in favor of repealing the 14th amendment, that would also be a valid concern.

The jihadis outrightly brag "We are not fighting so that you will offer us something. We are fighting to eliminate you."

No mainline sect of Christianity or Judaism says this, few of their adherents would endorse this. All major sects of isl@m pay lip service to jihad, a large minority of their adherents approve of the acts of jihadis. This country was founded largely by Christians. The vast majority of abolitionists were devout believers. Give credit where credit is due.

Medved, Limbaugh and O'Reilly vocally disagree with your beliefs. They do not want you silenced or to lose your rights or to kill you. If you think you know the secret evil thoughts of their minds, enjoy your paranoia. I make no claims to make windows into men's souls. I am satisfied to judge them by their overt words and actions, not my fears of their secret thoughts.


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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 12:31amSanction this postReply
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Joe,  It says nothing at all about voting for either party. I wouldn't vote for any of the candidates that are presently running. And don't give me that crap about voting for the lesser of 2 evils. They are equally evil in my view. Just evil for different reasons.
   Now Ted, are you really concerned about Hamas coming over to the USA and destroying us, and our life style? Now there is paranoia for you. How likely is that prospect? Lets atleast try to be realistic.
   We are what is keeping them from completely destroying Israel, and we do it with little effort. Sure, they set off a few RPG's, and shoot their mini missles, that for the most part land in the middle of no where, and are not capable of doing any real damage.
    Hamas is powerless against what little help we give Israel. How are they expecting to come over and destroy the powerhouse that is the United States of America? Or better yet, how do you suspect they will accomplish this plan of theirs?
   Again I ask, Who is being Paranoid?


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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 9:26amSanction this postReply
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Hey David, watch your tone, young man! :P I'm not giving you any "crap." You can vote any way you choose.
(Personally, I sympathize with Dr. Peikoff on the issue, but not necessarily about the voting strategy.)

But seriously? If you're gonna say, on an Objectivist site:

"You people should really stop worrying about what damage a couple hundred thousand militants can do in the middle east, and start worrying about what kind of damage a couple hundred million Christian and Jewish militants can do in the USA. Because, I can almost guarantee, once they are done with Islam, Atheism is next on their list."

don't be surprised to hear the Peikoff argument brought up.


(Edited by Joe Maurone on 5/21, 9:28am)


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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 12:52pmSanction this postReply
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God Damn America?

David, I live in Manhattan. I lost two neighbors and three coworkers on 9-11. The brother of a man I knew for 30 years was killed while attending a conference at Windows on the World. My father had worked on a floor in the South Tower which was hit on 9-11. I know an employee of Cantor Fiztgerald who was taking citizenship classes the day of the attack. He knows hundreds of people killed by terrorists. I heard two funeral processions pass by my apartment every day for a year+ after the attack. I could continue.

You speak of 200 or 300 million militant Christians in the US? What cow dung! I suppose that includes everyone I know, went to school with, work with and do business with? (Remember how they rose up on 9-12 and slew all the m^slims in the US?) Maybe you didn't mean what you say? Or maybe you really are paranoid? In any case, what you have said here is nonsense.

I don't think Obama's a terrorist mole. I just think you can judge him by his own words and the type of people like his pastor with whom he hangs around. Hamas obviously has.

Jeremaiah Wright, Obama's 20-Year Pastor:



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Saturday, May 24, 2008 - 1:45amSanction this postReply
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Ted, what the hell does Barack Obama or Hamas have to do with September 11th? It was Al qaeda and the Taliban that caused all of that destruction. Your memory seems to be as bad as John McCain's. Get your terrorist groups straight.
   If you want to talk terrorism Ted, I had a cousin murdered in cold blood in 1977 because he was Muslim. What is to be said for the group of people that did that, should they all be grouped together? Because they were Caucasion Americans. Should we say that all white Americans are racist torrorists?
   I feel extremely sorry for the loss that you endured that day Ted. I actually wept for 2 days because I fealt such sorrow. I still feel the same heart ache today, that I felt that day, when I see the footage of the planes smashing into the towers. But you can not blame all of Islam for the work of the few who did that. There are millions of wonderful people that are a part of the Islamic religion. I know, I am related to some of them.


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Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 7:20pmSanction this postReply
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Negotiating with Evil

My point is that there is a moral principle of not compromising with evil. Even to negotiate with a terrorist or the head of a terrorist nation means that there is something to negotiate about. And I am not talking about someone who uses guerilla tactics because of some sort of amenable political dispute, but with someone whose explicitly stated goal is your subjugation or destruction. Will we let our enemies destroy just a little bit of Israel? Just a little bit (more) of Manhattan?

I.e., what part of:

"We are not fighting so that you will offer us something. We are fighting to eliminate you."

don't people get? Cut and paste that sentence into Google and you will see that it is not some paranoid fear of mine but the stated goal of an isl@mist terrorist organization funded by Iran.

There are many people who don't understand moral principles, or who don't integrate them into their lives. In 1938 British PM Neville Chamberlain negotiated a peace treaty with Hitler; "My good friends, for the second time in our history a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time." And so did Stalin in his non-aggression treaty. The consequences were 48,000,000 dead - look it up.) And some people aren't hypocrites - they're just plain effing evil. I have to assume that Barack Obama is one of the hypocrites, since I don't know him well enough to judge him as evil. But what do you say about a man whose pastor spouts lunatic, hateful, racist anti-American rhetoric for twenty years without him apparently noticing?

(BTW, I am white, and look like a cop. I have a murdered black boyfriend whose idol was Malcom X. I've been refused service in stores when hanging out with black friends. I have been arrested dozens of times for being with blacks or in black neighborhoods. I know what it is to get physically ill at the beating of Rodney King and the murders of Amadou Diallo and Sean Bell. I won't go into detail about whom I've threatened with a broken jaw for saying what bigoted remark. I am not some totally clueless white geek.)

While Obama is quite willing to negotiate with a man who has said that the holocaust didn't happen and that Israel should be wiped off the map, he's not above hinting at the sort of orders he'll be issuing at home:

"We can't drive our SUVs and, you know, eat as much as we want and keep our homes on, you know, 72 degrees all the time, whether we're living in the desert or we're living in the tundra, and then just expect every other country is going to say OK."

So we can negotiate with murderers as equals. Our own personal freedoms are not sacrosanct. We're going to start asking the Belgians for permission to do what we like with what we own.

Never mind, he is evil.

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Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 8:27pmSanction this postReply
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Ted, what the hell does Barack Obama or Hamas have to do with September 11th? It was Al qaeda and the Taliban that caused all of that destruction.


Yeah! And what the hell did Imperial Japan have to do with Nazi Germany while we're at it! And what the hell did Stalin have to do with Mao! They were all completely different entities with not one shred of commonly shared goals!

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Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 9:29pmSanction this postReply
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John, I think David was sincere in his argument.

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