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Thursday, June 5 - 1:41pmSanction this postReply
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There is a live "tribunal" now convening in BC in order to convict Steyn:

http://blog.macleans.ca/category/blog-central/national/andrew-coynes-blog/

I have made a few comments (Vypuero) - though no one is talking to me yet :(




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Friday, June 6 - 12:24amSanction this postReply
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Unbelievable! And France considers itself a civilized country?! This is what happens when people lack a meaningful understanding of freedom and especially freedom of speech. Once you have a law against inciting racial or religious hatred and discrimination, there is nothing to stop you from extending it to cover any ideological group. A religion, after all, is an ideology of sorts, so why not ban criticism of any ideological group? This kind of law is an open invitation to full-scale government censorship!

The present conviction of Bardot is a case in point. She was criticizing a particular religious custom and practice. By that standard, one would be inciting hatred and discrimination simply by criticizing the customs or practice of any ideological group, including the Ku Klux Klan and the American Nazi Party. Suppose one were to criticize the Klan's practice of cross-burning. Well that would be inciting hatred and discrimination against them, wouldn't it?

This kind of anti-discrimination law also repudiates the free exercise of a person's judgment, and implies that people are incapable of making their own decisions -- that they are pawns of moral and political propaganda, which they are powerless to resist. But in that case, they are just as helpless in the face of campaign propaganda and shouldn't be allowed to vote their own conscience in political elections.

The government of France has lost whatever decency and common sense it once possessed -- if, in fact, it ever did possess it!

- Bill
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Friday, June 6 - 6:06pmSanction this postReply
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William Dwyer: The government of France has lost whatever decency and common sense it once possessed -- if, in fact, it ever did possess it!
You can blame "the government" but France is a democrative republic in good working order.  This was not an autocratic mandate from the top down.  Moreover, Ms. Bardot was not pursued through the streets of Paris by gendarmes -- loo-lee loo-lee loo-lee, the "Anne Frank" sound effects sirens...

You say that the KKK could sue under such a law.  We do have "hate speech" laws and similar rules within institutions and organizations.  However -- and this the point -- the insulted party must bring a complaint. 

The Muslim activists in France (and Canada) use the law because the law is there.  You could use it as well the next time some liberal snarks capitalism.  The thing is though that we do not -- and by "we" I must include the God-Guns-Gold pinheads along with the rational right.  Generally, "we" do not approve of government actions.  More or less "we" prefer that people work out their own problems on their own terms.  Even the KKK would be pretty much willing to let African Americans do whatever they want as long as they do it away from white people.  That is not the view of the equal and opposite Left which will not let anyone get away with anything "unjust."  Sadness would be unlawful if that were possible -- and excessive laughter as well, no doubt.

So, if you want to use the laws, they are there for you.  But you will not use them.  So, your enemies have the gun of the state and you do not.

The solution, of course, is to repeal the laws.  In France, the US, UK, etc., that is always an option.  The problem, again, is that those who would do so have "better things to do."  With only 24 hours in a day, you can spend your time making money or enjoying slack time or else you can get involved in government. 




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Friday, June 6 - 6:10pmSanction this postReply
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However, turnabout WOULD be fair play - and would hoist the laws to public viewing, such to perhaps remove them....[perhaps]....;-)



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Friday, June 6 - 8:53pmSanction this postReply
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God bless her. She joins the proud ranks of Fallaci and Steyn. Perhaps Obama will pay her fine if she drops out of the presidential race.

I note the very high number of francophones these days in Manhattan. There are supposedly more Irish in NY than in Dublin, more Jews in NY than in Jerusalem. Peut-etre il-y-aura plusiers de francais ici in NYC qu'a Paris?



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Monday, June 9 - 6:30amSanction this postReply
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Actually you can't use them because the courts are stacked with neo-marxist progs who won't consider any of that wrong - you can only be wrong if they agree with the complaint.  It is not that I doubt France is a democratic republic in some semblance of working order, but that it is quickly sliding from that path.



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