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Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 12:57pmSanction this postReply
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I laughed my ass off when I read this in the Fountainhead. Then I cried when I found out that there are people who actually wrote this way (James Joyce).

Adam



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Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 2:48pmSanction this postReply
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It is surely no accident that "Lois Cook" has the same rhythm as "Gertrude Stein." I caught the reference right away.



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Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 4:54pmSanction this postReply
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Rodney,

Are you referring to "A rose is a rose is a rose"?




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Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 5:06pmSanction this postReply
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I'm re-reading the Fountainhead and this quote jumped out at me. I found it quite funny as well. Must be recited with a full face of toothpaste and while brushing your teeth to get the full effect. Adam, can you put it to music, it could be a great kids song.... better than Raffi's.



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Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:04amSanction this postReply
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Marcus: Not just that. I am sure Rand was giving her opinion of Stein's whole characteristic style and content, and of those who practiced "automatic writing." Not to mention Joyce.

I just realized that you may have misunderstood what I meant by rhythm. I was referring to the names themselves:

GER-trude STEIN

LO-is COOK

(Edited by Rodney Rawlings on 2/28, 10:07am)




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Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:15amSanction this postReply
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katdaddy - I did try it in front of a mirror with toothpaste foaming out of my mouth. I couldn't stop laughing.

Rodney - How's this for a little parallel rhythm thing?

Branden in the rand branden done done brand rand meek seek in the meek peikoff seek so weak weak in the rand peek seek brand branden brand pig gigolo polo solo

Michael




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Monday, February 28, 2005 - 2:14pmSanction this postReply
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Ahhhh - so YOU were the one who wrote the Joyce/Kaftla Act....



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Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:51pmSanction this postReply
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Michael, your beautiful poem moved me more than I care to say.

Barbara



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Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - 3:24amSanction this postReply
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oh yeah.... shake what your momma gave ya. 



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Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - 11:56amSanction this postReply
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Katdaddy,

"oh yeah.... shake what your momma gave ya."
 
Eh? Where did that come from? Been at the vodka again?
 
Rodney,
 
"GER-trude STEIN

LO-is COOK"

Sorry, but I don't get it. I can't any see connection between the two names. Are you at a party with Katdaddy?

SOLOists shouldn't post when they're drunk ;-)




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Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - 11:59amSanction this postReply
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Stein: item in kitchen

Cook: item in kitchen

Come on, Marcus, how obvious does a connection have to be before you connect the dots?????????



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Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - 12:03pmSanction this postReply
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Marcus,

Both "Gertrude" and "Lois" are two syllables with the emphasis on the first syllable.  Both Stein and Cook are one syllables.  Rhythmically, they're similar.

Jason




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Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - 12:26pmSanction this postReply
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Jason,

Oh. You mean like - "Howard Roark" and "Rodney Joint?" As in Katdaddy's question to Rodney ;-)


 

(Edited by Marcus Bachler on 3/01, 12:57pm)




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Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - 12:54pmSanction this postReply
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LOL.  You've got it, Marcus.




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Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - 2:11pmSanction this postReply
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I'm serious, though. (Not the "kitchen" thing Robert jokes about, obviously, but the rhythmic coincidence.) Clearly Rand had Stein and others of that ilk in mind when creating Lois Cook, so the rhythm was a non-obvious way of making the connection. That seems to me to be just the sort of thing she might do, when I consider other character names Rand has chosen.

Of course, many names have that rhythm, such as "Jesus Christ" (but not "Howard Roark," I think--I tend to pronounce the surname as almost two syllables there). Just the rhythm alone means little; it's the literary context that brought this to my mind as a likelihood.




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Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - 5:15pmSanction this postReply
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Rodney,

Not knowing much about her myself, apart from that she was a famous feminist - what do you have against Gertrude Stein?




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Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - 5:49pmSanction this postReply
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Nothing at first hand, but from what I've read about her, her characteristic writing style and that of those who were influenced by her is similar to that of the Fountainhead quote at the start of this thread. Thus, it is certain that AR considered GS and other respected writers of the time to be exponents of what she called counterfeit individualism.

At http://www.bartleby.com/140/ it is summed up as follows:
Stein’s innovative writing emphasizes the sounds and rhythms rather than the sense of words. By departing from conventional meaning, grammar and syntax, she attempted to capture “moments of consciousness,” independent of time and memory.
It is easy to find illustrative quotes from her works on the web.




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Tuesday, March 1, 2005 - 6:58pmSanction this postReply
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Robert M - Didn't write it, didn't light it, didn't spite it, didn't fight it. So bite it.

(Sorry. Just clowning.)

Barbara - You ought to see me when I get rolling...

katdaddy - Hell on wheels, baby.

Michael




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Wednesday, March 2, 2005 - 4:43amSanction this postReply
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Rodney,

I looked it up yesterday and saw a letter from Rand in 1941 where she said people praised the work of Gertrude Stein because they wanted to destroy literature.

Around this time she had been working on the Fountainhead, so you may be right after all :-)

I found this mocking poem about Gertrude:

I don't like the family Stein,

There is Gert, there is Ed, there is Ein:

Gert's poems are bunk.

Ed's statues are punk.

And nobody understands Ein.






How's that for good poetry? ;-)

(Edited by Marcus Bachler on 3/02, 4:45am)




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Wednesday, March 2, 2005 - 6:04amSanction this postReply
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Divine! Fine, refined Stein rhyme!



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