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Monday, September 25, 2006 - 1:00amSanction this postReply
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Persistence is important -- but so is an intense unyielding ferocity. Something to think about, if you want to defeat the Muslims and ARIans.



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Monday, September 25, 2006 - 5:59amSanction this postReply
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Andre, to lump ARIans with Muslims falls well outside the bounds of reason.  What gives?  Sometimes I have one hell of a hard time understanding you.  I really do.



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Monday, September 25, 2006 - 9:59amSanction this postReply
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Great quote!



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Tuesday, September 26, 2006 - 1:02amSanction this postReply
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Luke: You say that "lump[ing] ARIans with Muslims falls well outside the bounds of reason." Are you so sure of that? I'm not trying to say anything profound or obscure here. Both respective ideologies are highly religious; both reject reason and individualism. In my experience, both promote mindless deference to authority and the taking of beliefs on faith. I've argued this interpretation a thousand times before. It's a general argument based on overall impressions. I'm surprised so few others seem to agree.

But I find the parallels between the two belief-systems -- or at least the behaviors of the respective adherents -- to be immense. Studying one helps me understand the nature of the other. The main point is it certainly isn't enough for the degraded Objectivist cultists of ARI to claim an adherence to reasonism and individualism and then ban, censor, purge, and excommunicate all those who so put these ideals into practice. Not to beat a dead horse, but I'd have a lot more respect for these quiet but pervasive deviants if just once they'd admit that Objectivist cultism is a real phenomenon which has indeed existed in the past -- such as the "Collective" period prior to mid-1968. I think the ARIans -- if they want credibility in their lies and evasions -- should at least admit that such a thing is possible in theory. This would be a beginning to eradicating this evil forever.      

(Edited by Andre Zantonavitch on 9/26, 1:07am)




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Tuesday, September 26, 2006 - 5:07amSanction this postReply
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Andre, breaking a relationship over a philosophical difference stands orders of magnitude apart from beheading people.  I just do not see eye to eye with you on this at all.  I also appreciate the good work the ARI has done with its Free Books to Teachers program, etc.  Comparing their unique form of "quality control" via clean breaks to the literal breaking of necks that the Muslims practice amounts to the equivocation between voluntary relationship termination and murder.

You and I will simply have to agree to disagree.




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Tuesday, September 26, 2006 - 1:36pmSanction this postReply
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(Edited by Ciro D'Agostino on 9/26, 1:36pm)




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Tuesday, September 26, 2006 - 6:22pmSanction this postReply
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Clean Breaks & Perforated Inserts

I don't think he believes, and I wouldn't defend it if it were Andre's belief that the perfidy of certain ARI members is anywhere near the level of evil of certain muslims. His choice of parties for comparison calls for a much more careful and explicit distinction to be made in discussing the moral nature of each. But I do understand why he might be opposed to each. And to speak of a policy of "clean breaks" where one party has the crutch of Ayn Rand's Photo inserted in her works with that party's P.O.B. listed as the return address is so funny I could...blank out. It's easy for the well endowed to "break" with whomever they like. One's livelihood is not at risk, and willing new candidates for indoctrination arrive every morning in the mail, unpersons tell few tales. The possible motives of certain benefactors with endowments are explored in an Ayn Rand play, "Think Twice." What an ironic lesson Rand left for us.

Ted Keer, 26 September, 2006, NYC



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Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 3:09amSanction this postReply
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I tend to view ARIans as I view Platonists and Kantians. All three are deeply thoughtful and strongly reasonist in some senses; and few, if any, are robbers or beggars. But with their perversion and deviancy in logic and discussion, all three religious-type groups undercut and undermine human civilization and what I call "liberalism." Ultimately, the battle between the normal and virtuous Objectivsts, and the devolved and cult Objectivists, may determine the fate of the world.




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