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Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 2:54pmSanction this postReply
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Civilization is the process of setting Man free from men.

It is not the process of peeping in windows, releasing income documents to the press for the purpose of public scrutiny, or the gossip of hens.

Ted Keer



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Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 5:06pmSanction this postReply
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So true, Ted.



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Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 5:28pmSanction this postReply
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Abner! Look how much Samantha Stevens is paying in taxes!





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Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 6:18pmSanction this postReply
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"Making someone's life "public" isn't a set up for discrimination, but for fascism."

Depends on what aspects are made public. Any business has access to ones personal finances when you buy a car, house or any credit card purchase. If you think this is fascism then you should be attacking present-day merchandizing practices. If you're talking about sexual practices, and medical information I'd agree that it would be a bad thing, but how does that lead to "fascism?"

I've already stated that I'm less protective about my personal information than most people but I respect the sensitivities of others.

Sam








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Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 7:06pmSanction this postReply
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Sam, this post wasn't meant as an end-run around you on the other thread, I just liked the spirit of what Teresa said. Credit information and the like is still not supposed to be released without one's consent. I simply detest gossip columns, discussing other people's incomes, who donates what to whom, the notion that public figures five up the right to privacy - such that when not holding public appearances and press conferences paparazzi can use telephoto lenses to sell pictures of you engaged in private acts under the guise of freedom of speech.

Worst comes people listing information about co-workers or students or faculty on the internet in an attempt to harm or embarrass. Should I publish the address of every burkah wearing woman I see in NYC? What does this tend towards? Morally, it is repulsive. Politically, I believe that privacy rights should be protected in some form. I don't have a well worked out-doctrine. But attempts to intimidate should certainly be illegal or open to litigation. And if celebrities are engaged in non-inherently public events (such as going food-shopping) as opposed to attending award ceremonies, they should have full property rights over their images. If I can sell your image for $100,000 as you engage in private behavior, then obviously that image is property - and it is the property of the person photographed, not of the photograher who took it without consent. If this principle had been law in Paris in 1997, Princess Diana would not have ended as she did.

As for tax matters, if people wish to brag of their donations, let them. But publishing a list of all donors is an invasion of privacy.

Ted Keer



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Monday, September 24, 2007 - 7:38amSanction this postReply
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Without privacy one cannot individuate. Compare our society to a 'communal' society. And notice that a person from a 'communal' society tends to have no property, no concept of individual value, and does everything for the group and nothing for him/her-self. Oddly, this is in line with fascism, which is the worship of the State at the expensive of individuals. Thus, the quotation is very apt in the observation of how fascism works as a hive/communal based civilization by depriving everyone of the essential rights to be left alone in both property and person (physical and mental).

-- Brede



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Monday, September 24, 2007 - 4:57pmSanction this postReply
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Brede -

I wasn't really thinking about that at the time, but you're right.  I was more concerned with the development of scapegoats such a policy would encourage.




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