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Wednesday, February 13 - 11:51am

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This quote sure rings true. I've sat in on discussions where members of my prior LDS ward discussed how they asked their kids, "Where do you want to go on your mission?" and explicitly said they asked it that way to shortcut any possible discussion of the idea that their should think about whether they wanted to go serve a mission or not.

I was in Temple Square in Salt Lake City recently with my daughters, and turned down the offer of the missionaries to give us a tour / attempted indoctrination. Instead, I gave my own tour, pointing out the various sights and explaining the Church's view of each, my anti-LDS mother's view of the events depicted, and what scorn my agnostic late father would have heaped upon both of the other views.

We were entering the Beehive House, and my older daughter asked how much it cost to take the tour. I said the price levied for viewing the place was giving the sister missionaries a shot at trying to convert you.

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Thursday, February 14 - 3:25am

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Nothing is more important than the truth. It's the most powerful force in the universe. If we could get everyone to worship the absolute, utter, complete, objective, neutral, universal truth no matter what -- this planet would be a kind of Paradise.

At some point, virtually all (externally brainwashed and internally deluded) religiosos claim to personally believe in, and socially promote, "the gospel truth," and "the god's honest truth," etc. I think we should take them at their word!

We should say: "Oh, so you believe in truth more than god? You worship truth above all else -- whether this means there is a god or there isn't? So do I!"

This tactic gives all rational people a great edge in winning the argument, I think. This may even be the key to finally, and at long last, voiding the planet of this infinite evil known as religion. Who is, or even can be, against the truth per se?

I certainly think children should be taught to worship the abstract and perfect truth above all else. They should be told to seek it at all costs, and try to live by it at all times. Instruct them that they must use their own independent contemplative rational mind to the limit -- and at some point they must absolutely, utterly, and specifically reject the views of their parents, friends, teachers, preachers, intellectuals, authorities, and experts if it clashes with their own honest and real views of what the truth is.

Tell kids this: Reality, facts, and truth above all else, and no matter what!