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Sunday, May 4 - 11:41amSanction this postReply
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Or conservative white Christians?

Here is a link to Victor Davis Hanson's articles on-line.


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Ted Keer on 5/04, 11:44am)




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Sunday, May 4 - 6:58pmSanction this postReply
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Wouldn't want to offend the people who want to kill us.   That would be...... rude.




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Sunday, May 4 - 8:55pmSanction this postReply
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This isn't about being politically correct, you guys -- and do you really believe it is (or are you joking)??

It's about being able to have a fluid concept for "enemy" or for "us/them" when expedient times come. Naming something gives you personal power over it in some small way (and helps to reduce fear somewhat) -- but I have reason to believe that current U.S. leadership isn't interested in policies or procedures that result in increasing the personal power of U.S. citizens -- or reducing their fear.

What do you, Ted and Summer, think about that kind of interpretation of contemporary U.S. events?

Ed




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Monday, May 5 - 12:56amSanction this postReply
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This isn't about being politically correct, you guys -- and do you really believe it is (or are you joking)??

When it comes to the U.S. State Department, I could believe almost anything, including...

...that current U.S. leadership isn't interested in policies or procedures that result in increasing the personal power of U.S. citizens -- or reducing their fear.

But employing the lex parsimoniae, political correctness seems the most likely answer.  Your theory, while plausible, falls into the "too clever by half" category.  But again, I put nothing past State.




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Monday, May 5 - 3:12amSanction this postReply
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Agree, Summer - I think it is giving them more credit than they possess....



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Monday, May 5 - 5:14amSanction this postReply
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Do you guys think that that subtle shift of nearly all official announcements being about the Afghan war into ones in which nearly all official announcements being about the Iraq war -- wasn't premeditated (because premeditation supposes cleverness; and parsimony precludes cleverness from our leaders)?

Do you see how this "clever" issue cuts both ways (but that you can't "have it" both ways)?

Ed



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Monday, May 5 - 7:05amSanction this postReply
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...(because premeditation supposes cleverness; and parsimony precludes cleverness from our leaders)?
Parsimony doesn't preclude cleverness.  It simply assumes the simplest explanation over the more contrived.


Do you guys think that that subtle shift of nearly all official announcements being about the Afghan war into ones in which nearly all official announcements being about the Iraq war -- wasn't premeditated
Premeditated doesn't necessarily mean clever.  Some of the dumbest decisions I've ever made, I made after careful and agonizing consideration.  But they were no less dumb.

 I'm quite sure that State's new policy of avoiding "perfectly descriptive terms" was premeditated.  I'm also sure that the policy was instituted after much consideration and debate (which makes it all the more frightening).  It's your original assertion (or theory) that the policy was adopted to maintain a certain level of fear in the American people that I see as less likely than simple political correctness.

Could I be wrong?  Sure.  Happens from time to time.




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Monday, May 5 - 7:50pmSanction this postReply
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Summer,

Parsimony doesn't preclude cleverness.  It simply assumes the simplest explanation over the more contrived.
The question is really about what's simple in this context, and what's contrived. Most coins are fair, so the simplest explanation of getting 2 heads in a row is that the coin is fair and that "chance" played out. However, if you flip a coin and get heads a million times in a row, then assuming that the coin is fair -- because "most" coins are -- is no longer the simplest explanation. The simplest explanation for a series of similar events then -- linked events -- is sometimes what we used to consider the contrived explanation (for that same event in isolation).

What I'm getting at is that there's a pattern of seemingly altruistic actions that have been taken here. In isolation, it would, perhaps, be easy to chalk it up as altruistic behavior. The other option, more contrived when applied to isolated acts, but more simple when a pattern emerges -- is that someone's merely using the idea of altruism in order to perform more sinister acts.

It's the oldest game in the book, pretend to be an altruist, get away with murder. Rand's quote about "Every major horror" having the exploitation of altruism in common brings this full-circle. The common-ness makes the explanation simpler than the one where we're supposed to believe that someone's truly an (un-clever) altruist.

Ed




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