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Post 60

Monday, January 5, 2004 - 11:43amSanction this postReply
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Let me throw fuel on the fire. (Hey, a like a spirited debate, too). Mysticism usually refers not only to a non-rational means, but to a super-sensible means. This could include revelations, voices, mediums, ESP, mystical intuition, etc. This list usually omits emotions. Emotions are real. They are not some spurious or unproven phenomena. They aren’t grounds for knowledge, however, although they do play a cognitive role.

Thus, I would distinguish between subjectivism and mysticism. Now, if you accept that there are no special super-sensible means, then you conclude, upon analysis, that mysticism is actually subjectivism. That feeling one has doesn’t come from God; it is just your feeling.

I usually don’t use the word mysticism in conversation as it requires too much explanation. I prefer one of the following:

reason vs. faith
reason vs. dogmatism
reason vs. the arbitrary
reason vs. feeling

Regards,
Rick

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Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 8:30pmSanction this postReply
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Okay, let's try this again:
you still didn't give us anything, Neil. If Msticism is "union with God" then you have to define what "god" is ( which is, just like Franc said, totally dependent on a particular religion)

Okay, time to offend you really bad, without meaning to do so. I've never understood the concpt of "philosophical theism", because the "diety" it usually posits is totally useless for religious purposes, and pretty unneccesary for other purposes, as well. Christianity at least has the advantage of postulating SOMEHING that makes it's God neccesary to it's theology. Philosophical "theism" comes off as either bad christian apologetics , or as a pointless postulate. (Aristotle's "prime mover" etc.(

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Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 2:41pmSanction this postReply
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["The term agnosticism was coined by Aldous Huxley at a meeting of the Metaphysical Society in 1876."]

This is a glaring inaccuracy that needs to be corrected. The individual who coined the term "agnosticism" is Thomas Henry Huxley, a biologist, who was a supporter and contemporary of Charles Darwin.

Aldous Huxley was a twentieth century author, most famous for the novel Brave New World. (Aldous is the grandson of Thomas Henry Huxley.)

After the ridiculous quote about agnosticism in that article, one would hope that you would get the name correct of the individual who best defined it.

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Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 4:17pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks for the correction in this five year old thread that no one has probably read in at least that length of time.

 After the ridiculous quote about agnosticism in that article, one would hope that you would get the name correct of the individual who best defined it.
I am interested in which quote you're referring, and what is "ridiculous" about it.  Parille has many fans here, so if you wish to be taken seriously, then be specific.

I take it this is the quote that's rubbing you the wrong way:

Agnosticism is not simply the pleading of ignorance. It is the enshrinement of ignorance. . . . A passion for the arbitrary does not derive from concern for logic. Its root is a feeling that has been given precedence over logic. In some agnostics, the feeling is cowardice, the simple fear that a stand on contentious issues will antagonize people. In other agnostics, the feeling is more convoluted. It is akin to glee, the malicious glee of subverting all ideas and thus of baiting the men who have integrity required to hold convictions. This is the glee of the destroyer, the mind-hater, the nihilist. [Peikoff, OPAR, pp. 169-70.]
If Peikoff is inaccurate, please enlighten us as to the true meaning of the concept. The fact that you're resistant to specifics seems ironic to Peikoff's explanation, don't you think? I couldn't think of a better way to get me in agreement with Peikoff than to defend the morality of a concept by simply asserting his criticisms are "ridiculous." 

 Peikoff has to be right. Look how they're disagreeing with him!

I understand that there are Atheist organizations that claim warm fuzzies for the word, but Objectivism, traditionally, isn't one of them. You can either help to change that, or continue to reinforce the current standing. Your choice.


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Thursday, April 1, 2010 - 11:27pmSanction this postReply
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Friday, April 2, 2010 - 12:19pmSanction this postReply
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Wow!

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