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Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 12:30amSanction this postReply
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Ha, ha, ha, ha! Very good, David! Referring to your post re my FreeRad editorial ... if *this* is a sample of what I have inspired you to write, I am well pleased. Keep 'em coming!!

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Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 2:11amSanction this postReply
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Very nice, David. The style makes it a real pleasure to read.

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Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 2:50amSanction this postReply
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Great piece David.
You obviously have a talent for constructing entertaining and imaginative dialogue.
How about writing an updated "Atlas Shrugged"?

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Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 5:18amSanction this postReply
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Brilliant. Pure Gold. I loved it!

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Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 11:43amSanction this postReply
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Mr. Bertelsen,

Excellent work. May I have have your permission to reprint this story on my magazine, The Rational Argumentator?

I am
G. Stolyarov II

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 - 12:39amSanction this postReply
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David:

"How are we going to turn a buck to our 50,000 acre 'Untouched by Man's Hands' Green Paradise if the damn government lets people into it's littered, uncared for 'National Park' next door!...

"Money isn't just money. It's frozen desire! It's the result that we accumulate when we effectively manage to produce something of value to others, and convince them to trade with us!"


Jim:

This is based on an invalid conception of land use rights.

Making money by allowing others the use of land that you aren't using is immoral. The only moral basis for any claim to land is your own (not another’s) productive use (including enjoyment) of that land.

If you build (create) a business and hire a worker, you are entitled to that portion of the workers labor that is made possible by your entrepreneurship. If you have accumulated capital and invest if for a return by allowing other the use of it for a fee (interest), that is your entitlement as well.

But land is not created as a result of mans effort, so it is a common heritage to all, and therefore it is the proper function of government to protect this right - in the same way and for the same reasons as it should do so in regards to aggression.

People do not just need freedom from aggression to live, they also require the literal space and materials of the earth upon and with which to act and produce. And so long as there is any part of the earth that one can use in an honest way that is not impeding the ability of another to do the same, they are morally justified in doing so.

What I want to know is this: what "value" does one "produce" by in effect saying "this is my land because the government says so, or because I traded something with the person who was using it, or because no one is using it (including me) but I say its mine and you now have to pay me if you want to use it.

The right to use land is like the right to breathe air. You are entitled to it without regard to others if and only when and to the exact extent that you are using it. Anything else must be negotiated with any others who may want the use of it as well. And one method of negotiating (arbitrating) this conflict of interest is through paying a differential to the other interested parties for exclusive use of what is essential community property or common heritage.

And a land value tax does this quite well, but that is another subject really.
Google the phrase "Henry George" or "geolibertarian" for more in depth information if interested.

 
Jim



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Thursday, March 4, 2004 - 9:50amSanction this postReply
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Jim,
Does this mean the tract of land I might own is entirely up for bid, excluding the few hundred square feet upon which my house is built and the access-way up to it? The lawn, the trees, the bushes and whatever else "not in use" are essentially "community property", which I have the obligation to make accessible to, or at least available for purchase by, the general public?  (Of course, I can't rightly say "available for purchase" if I don't own the thing.)  If I'm not "using" the thing (not turning it into greater value), my not "using" it invalidates any claims of property, so long as it isn't man-made?  BTW, why restrict it to natural resources?   Unused man-made values are just things of greater value, like a river has more value than a rock. (correct me if this isn't what you meant)

At what point does whoever decide I'm not "using" natural property?  Perhaps I want the seclusion provided by extra acreage, or  I'm planning on turning the land into a man-made value later on.  Is there a time standard that goes with this moral obligation?  I understand what you mean by creating more value on untouched land.  It makes financial sense in the long run to exploit the natural resources on a given space, to create value where there was none.  But because I can do something doesn't necessarily mean I have the moral obligation to do it. If I like the thing's current value--a secluded space to wander in, a nice view, or just some prime real estate that I like to know is mine--I should feel no moral obligation to make it more valuable, or sell it to someone who can.  If I own a piece of land, I probably have a job that I'm good at, and am creating enough value in that.  Until I feel like adding to my assets, that is. 

Your basic idea is good, though.  We should create as much value as we desire.  But that desire places no obligation on us to create added value where or when we don't want it, and it certainly places no obligation on us to society. 

J


(Edited by Jeremy Johnson on 3/06, 5:15am)


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