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Monday, September 13, 2004 - 9:12amSanction this postReply
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God, this is chilling. I know that my first reaction to this "blarney" is to laugh and dismiss it, but I am afraid that that attitude is responsible for why this crap wins by default. We need a concerted effort to take back art, and I suspect it will involve a concerted effort to take back our schools.
Michael, thank you. I am planning to go to your website to see what you are up to.

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Monday, September 13, 2004 - 12:07pmSanction this postReply
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James, I couldn't agree more.  This putrescent excuse for "art" is The Gallant Gallstone made real. 

The people who view this as masterful are the same ones who expect me to create verbal works of art for $10 an hour, because quality makes no difference to them.  I'd rather burn all my writing first.

Jennifer


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Monday, September 13, 2004 - 4:38pmSanction this postReply
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James thanks for your post. I would hate think that you take any responsibility for postmodernism. I think that rests squarely on the stomachs of contemporary philosophers; I wonder when the weight of aesthetic disgust will make them want to puke? But, then, how can you blame philosophers when they don’t know the meaning of art?

 

Fortunately, Hicks and Kelley are beginning to make poignant contributions to the value of art, as well as Cressell and Bissell, and many other people in the roles of critics and commentators. Not to mention the huge contribution that Lindsay makes by his stress on the arts.

 

Michael

 



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Monday, September 13, 2004 - 10:15pmSanction this postReply
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I think the arts (especially literature and cinema) are the most important tools that we have for communicating what Objectivism is all about, even though the marketing of philosophy is not the primary purpose of art. Rather it is through the promotion of the art of Objectivists (who are creating their art for themselves) that I believe will result in making important cultural changes. Although I do not compose for an audience, I am happy if what I compose prompts people to explore the best within themselves. That is what the Fountainhead did for my own life as well as millions of others, and that is what I hope keeps happening as a result of Objectivist artists. After all, how many Objectivists were drawn to Objectivism through reading non-fictional essays and op-eds?

Adam

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Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 6:42amSanction this postReply
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Adam Buker wrote:
After all, how many Objectivists were drawn to Objectivism through reading non-fictional essays and op-eds?
My "fire in the belly" Objectivism commenced when I read The Virtue of Selfishness and Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal in 1988 months before I started the fiction.  As I understand it, Dr. Sciabarra also started with the non-fiction and contends that doing so curbed him from becoming the proverbial "true believer" Objectivist.

In any case, I agree that art can offer a powerful motivator, source of inspiration and conveyor of ideas.

Can anyone recommend books other than The Romantic Manifesto to help an artistically challenged engineer like myself to grasp and appreciate the value of art?


Luke Setzer


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Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 7:33amSanction this postReply
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I recommend From the Fountainhead to the Future by Alexandra York, and (with some reservations in regard to music) What Art Is by Torres and Kahmi. I'm writing a few articles on the importance of art that I hope will get published on this site.

Adam

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Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 12:53pmSanction this postReply
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Luther asked: Can anyone recommend books other than The Romantic Manifesto to help an artistically challenged engineer like myself to grasp and appreciate the value of art?

Hi Luther,
I don't know if you get into novels or historical novels but  The Agony and the Ecstasy by I. Stone is a biographical novel about Michelangelo. He does a great job of recreating scenes about facts we know of Michelangelo...like when he as 14? and had a burning desire to know real anatomy, dissecting a cadaver was punishable by death, and how young Michelangelo went about this. Stone takes you inside an artist's mind. For you, this may help you a great deal, by getting to "know" a passionate artist in detail; how they think, work, and feel.

Michael



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Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 1:49pmSanction this postReply
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Great review, Michael. I made the mistake of paying the $12 admission to the Guggenheim this summer. After about an hour perusing such as exhibits as a rusted steel box on the floor, plain fluorescent lights mounted on the wall, a large blank canvas (really!), colored belts, and assorted other nonsense, I'd had enough.

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Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 4:15pmSanction this postReply
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Michael,
Unless I missed it in your review, you didn't say whether or not you've actually viewed any or all of the Cremaster films. Have you?

J

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Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 6:09pmSanction this postReply
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Thank you Michael,for an important article. I am sickened by the state of art today. It is so offensive, so insulting, so degraded, that it makes me want to start a one-woman protest march. The worst of modern literature is glorious by comparison.

I went to the Los Angeles Museum of Contemporary Art not long after it opened. I told myself in advance that I would have an open mind, that I would not get angry, that I would try to understand what many people apparently saw in contemporary art. Before I entered the exhibit, I went to a separate room and attended a lecture which was to teach us something about modern art in order to prepare us for what we would be seeing. I listened attentively, but I scarcely understood a word of what the lecturer said. However, I told myself it wasn't fair to judge the art by the inability of one speaker to discuss it intelligibly.

Then I entered the exhibit. First, I saw a large room that was empty except for a single spot of light on three of the walls. Each light was a different color; the walls were white. No one walked into the room; people stood in the doorway and gazed at the three spots. I decided to look elsewhere.

I saw a canvas that was blue. That's all it was. Just blue. A single, undifferentiated color.

Then I saw a sort of plaid canvas. That seemed to me very imaginative in contrast to the others. But very boring.

I saw more lights on more walls.

I saw canvases with several lines on them, with one line on them, with three colors, with no color, with pink dots, with yellow dots.

In desperation, I decided to listen to what people were saying. I eavesdropped on some of the people who had attended the orientation lecture with me. They were looking at the blue canvas and the plaid canvas and the dotted canvases and murmuring such things as: "Very interesting." 'Unusual, don't you think?" "I'm not sure what it means, but I like the color, and I like. . . "

I listened to artistically-knowledgeable people talking. I assumed they were artistically knowledgeable because they hadn't attended the lecture. I assumed they didn't need it. They were saying things I couldn't understand.

I began to think of artists I knew who could not get their work into important galleries because it was technically proficient and beautiful. I thought of the wall space given to the lights and the lines and the dots, and I imagined the works of my friends hanging there.

I grew angry. I grew very, very angry. The "artists" in this gallery, and the people admiring the "art," were slapping the faces of every great artist who had ever lived. They were slapping the faces of my friends, who struggled to create the best work they could conceive, who devoted their lives to it and all of their energies.

If I had gone by my feelings alone, I would have blown up that gallery just as Howard Roark blew up his defaced building. These "artists" had broken their implicit contract with the public, the contract they entered into when they said they were creating works of art. I told the friend who had accompanied me to the gallery that we had better leave,while I still had some control over my anger.

Barbara





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Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 7:22pmSanction this postReply
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I am sickened by the state of art today. It is so offensive, so insulting, so degraded, that it makes me want to start a one-woman protest march. The worst of modern literature is glorious by comparison.


It's bad enough that there are museums dedicated to this trash, but they at least somewhat supported by voluntary contributions from people who elect to view it. But it is worse, in my view, that this is the only “art” that the public seems to get exposed to in public places—and then has to foot the bill, besides. My college is littered with strange pastel geometric shapes, twisted pieces of scrap metal, and deformed human heads—which is bad enough in the Visual Arts building, but they even put nonsense paintings up in the Engineering building.

I was talking with a coworker the other day—as a result of her noticing this painting which I am currently using as my wallpaper on my work computer—and she mentioned that in the state of Florida, 0.5% of the funding for a public building must be spent on purchasing artworks for it—specifically, art exhibited in a gallery within the past five years. Given what has dominated art galleries in modern times, it's probably no surprise what sort of art gets exhibited in public buildings.

If these people are so committed to “diversity,” shouldn't we be seeing a few replicas of Michelangelo's works put up beside the twisty things?

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Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 8:29amSanction this postReply
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Joanathan asked if I "actually viewed any or all of the Cremaster films"?

I saw all of Cremaster 3, which is what I commented in the review plus I examined every installation piece on offer in the exhibition.

M

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Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 6:55amSanction this postReply
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Barbara wrote,
"I began to think of artists I knew who could not get their work into important galleries because it was technically proficient and beautiful."

Barbara,
The ~overwhelming~ majority of people believe that the works of Thomas Kinkade, Bob Ross, and Terry Redlin are by far the most technically proficient and beautiful contemporary artworks in existence. Should major museums display their work? If not, why not?
J


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Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 8:55amSanction this postReply
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Barbara wrote,
"I began to think of artists I knew who could not get their work into important galleries because it was technically proficient and beautiful."

Btw, Barbara, why don't you post links to the works of your artist friends and write articles about them? I'd love to see their work. You're participating in a forum full of people who claim to be hungry for the type of art that you enjoy, and I'd think it would be much more important to you to use the opportunity to focus your efforts on promoting what you love instead of helping all of those "face slappers" out there to keep the spotlight on what you hate.
J


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Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 2:22pmSanction this postReply
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Jonathan,

 

Are you familiar the psychological phenomenon of projection?

 

Michael


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Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 6:18pmSanction this postReply
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"Are you familiar the psychological phenomenon of projection?"

Yes, I am. I haven't attacked artists or artwork that I hate (since I don't hate any), and have done nothing in this and other Objectivist forums but ~defend~ art against misinterpretations and moralizing.

As far as posting links to art that I love, I do so quite often in forums whose members are more interested in experiencing, discussing and understanding artworks than in denouncing them.

And I'm not spotlighting what I hate by arguing with you, Barbara, or anyone else here. I don't hate you, and my arguments generally focus on defending what ~you~ may hate but what ~I find value in~.

In non-Objectivist forums, people discuss, in a calm, reasonable manner, issues such as what the Cremaster Cycle represents to them -- how it is a return to narrative, beauty, myth-building and symbolism, how it challenges traditional notions of identity, sexuality, nature, nurture, urge, will, power, creation, destruction and the "easy answers" that people often search for in religion, culture, history and philosophy, how its ambiguity is different from that of most of history's art because more of its possible meanings are true from a wider variety of contexts, how it both embraces and regrets how technology has altered our lives, etc., etc., etc.

It's unfortunate that such potential riches have been abandoned here in favor of the quick thrill of condemnation.

J

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Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 8:47pmSanction this postReply
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Hi Jonathan,

I see you got my point.

Do you know what I get from this post? That you are intelligent, sensitive to the arts, very emotional, and frustrated here. You have a strange way of defending...you throw out stuff like "in favor of the quick thrill of condemnation." You don't direct that specifically to anyone yet it implies that myself or others are not knowledgeable or truthful or have any valid point to make. Its a cheap shot.

Your earlier post to me was snide. Implying that I didn't actually see what I commented on.

You go on to suggest where Barbara should "focus [her] efforts"!

There is an online protocal that I am sure you know about: don't equate anyone to a Nazi. And you bring up Kincade as if he was a champion of representational art.

I don't mind defending my articles or views but your smearing is not a lot of fun to deal with.

Michael

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Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 9:13pmSanction this postReply
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Jonathan, you wrote:

" I'd think it would be much more important to you to use the opportunity to focus your efforts on promoting what you love instead of helping all of those "face slappers" out there to keep the spotlight on what you hate."

I have spent the total of my life promoting what I love.

And by the way, I did not speak of "hate." To hate the "art" I described in my post, would be to grant it an honor it doesn't deserve.

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Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 2:43pmSanction this postReply
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Barbara wrote,
"I have spent the total of my life promoting what I love."

Yes, I understand and appreciate your passion. The "what" that I was refering to in this case was the contemporary visual art which you feel isn't getting the attention it deserves.

J

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Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 2:57pmSanction this postReply
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Michael,
I think my failure here may be that I haven't succeeded in making my point personal enough. Let me create a hypothetical review to see if it better illustrates my perspective:

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Kimberly: A Review

Hard-core Objectivist artist Michael Newberry has always seemed to have a thing for degrading women by showing them naked, writhing and submissive, but now it seems that his confused zealotry for Randian man-worship has finally led him to envision the decapitation of woman qua woman.

A drawing entitled _Kimberly_ is what appears to be his latest exercise in flinging angry, anti-feminist Objectivism at the better half of humanity. It is a dramitc image of a beautiful naked woman whose head is almost completely hidden in shadow, making it appear as if it is missing. Newberry forced his model to hold a sheet above her head to obscure it in darkness, and he admits that he is contemplating forcing her to hold the sheet again for up to 60 hours, even though he thinks the model would probably try to kill him in retaliation. "It is doable," he bragged coldly.

Apparently Newberry's Objectivist ideal is a woman who has no head -- one who can't think for herself or talk back to him, a mindless body which obeys his orders to stand in painful, unnatural positions so that he can shine bright lights on her breasts and ogle her from the darkness.

"You think that you and your filthy lesbian sob sisters have what it takes to be President?" Newberry seems to be taunting poor Kimberly from the Randian shadows, "Well not in my man-worshiping paradise, little Missy! Keep those arms up!!!"

Newberry has not commented on the drawing’s meaning, or lack of it. It is an aesthetic crime that artists like Newberry offer us nothing more than the headless void of Objectivist art.
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If I were to encounter such a review in reality, wouldn't you hope that I would respond with passion and frustration? Wouldn't it be virtuous of me to "smear" such a smear? I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to have a ~polite~ conversation about it with its author.

As far as Kinkade is concerned, my comments had other meanings. One of them was that the "artworld" is a miniscule percentage of the population. When applied to postmodern visual art, declarations like "We need a concerted effort to take back art," and "I am sickened by the state of art today," don't address the reality of what is actually culturally dominant. Virtually no one has heard of Matthew Barney. Millions and millions of people, on the other hand, have not only heard of Kinkade, but have purchased his art. They absolutely ~gush~ over it. As Morley Safer put it, Kinkade has "sold more canvases than any other painter in history. More than Picasso, Rembrandt, Gaughin, Monet, Manet, Renoir and Van Gogh combined. He is the most collected living artist in the U.S. and worldwide."

He is a rock-ribbed capitalist, dedicated realist artist, and an eternal optimist who portrays nothing but happiness -- the "painter of light" as he calls himself. Yet ~you~ question his status as a champion of representation? Is there no pleasing you, man?

J

PS: To counter the potential misunderstandings and negative effects of my risky little hypothetical review above, let me say that I think _Kimberly_ is fantastic. I agree with Adam Buker that it has an "atmosphere of intrigue." It gives me a sense of... how should I put it?... it gives me the feeling that I'd associate with a ceremonial ritual that might accompany an important lifetime event -- perhaps a vow -- or the anticipation of some other personal climax. Unlike the comments in my hypothetical review, I think the image ~emphasizes~ the head and face by tantalizing us with its absence (or obscurity). It has the feeling of sacred anticipation with a bit of mystery. I don't know if that's what you intended but that's the feeling that I get from it.

Is the image "strong enough" to be converted to oil? No, it's strong enough to leave it the hell alone.

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