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Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 12:42amSanction this postReply
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Dear Chris, you are a miracle of a man -- as demonstrated by the whole of this article, and by your statement:

"To continue to sanction such arguments that assail one's status as an eminently moral agent is to sanction one's own victimization. Even if the arguments are civil, poised, and respectful.

"So, I'm done. I'm really done."

Consider that I'm standing up, cheering you, and shouting: Bravo, Chris!

Barbara





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Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 1:07amSanction this postReply
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Chris, I thank you for everything you've said on this topic. You've been a tireless warrior but I am pleased - for your sake - that it's to end here. What needed to be said has been said. It's now up to the honesty of the readers of this site to take it from here. But, I dare say, the battle has been won as those of us who are gay continue to live our lives true to our nature. And for this reason I think that the ideas of our detractors have in large part been, are being, and I think will eventually completely be consigned to the dustbin of history. And you will have played a part in bringing that about.
(Edited by Cameron Pritchard on 9/18, 1:08am)

(Edited by Cameron Pritchard on 9/18, 1:09am)




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Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 4:27amSanction this postReply
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I appreciate Lindsay's post, and the comments here from Barbara and Cam.  What I did not point out in the article, needs to be pointed out here.  This discussion has actually been raging for years on this very site; to simply point to the most recent dialogue as the "turning point" is not to acknowledge that there is a long history.  See, for example, debates from 2002 and 2003, here, here, here, here, and here.  Not to mention various threads initiated by others.

So, yes, pro or con, supporter or opponent, we've beaten this poor pony to death... from where I sit, it's time to move on.  And as a philosopher once put it:  And I mean it.




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Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 5:39amSanction this postReply
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Chris,

Let me echo Barbara and Cameron's words above: Bravo to you, and farewell to the ideas of the detractors, which will indeed be consigned to the dustbin.

An interesting if slightly off topic anecdote: during my "former life" as a Christian (i.e. before reading Rand) I actually held what I looking back would describe as mildly homophobic views - the same "shouldn't be illegal but it is immoral" bollocks that certain Objectivists now adhere to. Ironically, my conversion to Objectivism with its belief in total self-acceptance, even before reading any of your writings on the subject, was one of the biggest factors (if not the biggest) in my overcoming that kind of thinking. 

Once again, bravo Chris.

MH




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Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 6:54amSanction this postReply
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It's good to put a period at the end of this very, very long sentence.  Bravo Chris.

Hopefully, people not yet convinced will just read through what has been discussed thus far, and come to their own conclusions.  The only reason I could see for continuing a discussion on this would be to acquaint newcomers with what has already been said.  (You know, the "What did Ayn Rand have to say about such-and-such" crowd.  I was there once.  Ha!)




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Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 8:45amSanction this postReply
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Chris,

Thank you for being who you are, for being a staunch defender of your convictions, for being such an interesting and entertaining "opponent" (only in ideas).

THE END 




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Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 3:45pmSanction this postReply
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Thank you, Chris. If nothing else, I'm sure your superb work on this topic has caused some folk here to rethink their prejudices. 

You're a man of formidable intellect and unshakable integrity.




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