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Tuesday, February 1, 2005 - 1:51amSanction this postReply
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I agree with you. This is indeed a great day and an enormous opportunity.
Let's celebrate good times, and hope that the Iraqis can built upon this, before there is more blood-shed and a sort of "changing their minds".

(Though I don't agree with the last few paragraphs, because I live in Germany :P And seeing that you are on the liberty-scale even lower than we are, at least our government cannot hold us without trial as yours can :) )

It could well end like this:

http://www.hnn.us/blogs/entries/9955.html


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Tuesday, February 1, 2005 - 5:09amSanction this postReply
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Barbara said: When I see what a people, most of whom have never experienced freedom, will dare for the chance to be free, I know that one must never give up on the human race. And one must never give up on America, as so many of its citizens have done.
 
That was wonderful, a beautiful sentiment that I agree with whole-heartedly.

George


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Tuesday, February 1, 2005 - 1:17pmSanction this postReply
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With the one proviso that I regard very few opponents of the liberation as men of good will, and the vast majority as despicable Saddamites, I salute this article and its majestic author. I am not using the word "majestic" lightly, in the way I often refer to Barbara as "Majesty"—this article is seriously majestic in the way it combines soaring elegance of prose with nobleness of content.

Linz

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Tuesday, February 1, 2005 - 1:27pmSanction this postReply
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Barbara, your articles are always eagerly awaited, I just wish there were more.

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Tuesday, February 1, 2005 - 3:03pmSanction this postReply
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Barbara,

Thank you for this poignant, passionate, very well written, and heartfelt article. It's vitally important to capture, express, and document concretes, great moments before they pass out of consciousness.

I clipped a photo out of the paper of people in an unlikely place, muslims - elderly, frail men - women shrouded walking in black chadors and leading their very young children by the hand, people with strange, grim faces, walking toward a polling place. It was like people taking the first steps to walk uphill out of the Dark Ages into the sunlight, a journey of generations.

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Tuesday, February 1, 2005 - 4:27pmSanction this postReply
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Wonderfully put, Barbara.

And Phil, this image...

"It was like people taking the first steps to walk uphill out of the Dark Ages into the sunlight, a journey of generations."

...is simply magnificent. Thank you.

(Edited by Robert Bidinotto on 2/01, 4:32pm)


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Tuesday, February 1, 2005 - 6:18pmSanction this postReply
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And so, my friends, join me in saluting the newborn Iraqi baby whom its happy parents have named “Election
Amen

And may she live long and prosper



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Tuesday, February 1, 2005 - 7:27pmSanction this postReply
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It is actually amazing to me that it only took 8 millions common Iraqi people to risk their lives and go to the polls in order for the world to know what do they really want! Before this day, nobody, well, at least almost no reports here in US came from their angles. It was the despicable terrorists, the beheaders and suicide bombers, who got all the media attentions. Indeed, which side have we been on?! I am ashamed. Because I also had thought that may be Iraqis were really different from us, and didn't want freedom! Oh, how wrong I was!

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Tuesday, February 1, 2005 - 7:45pmSanction this postReply
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If you had been following the Iraqi blogs instead of the MSM (main stream media), you might have expected the kind of turn-out that occurred. You might also read about a lot of the positive outcomes that the MSM don't report.

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Tuesday, February 1, 2005 - 8:24pmSanction this postReply
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Christopher Hitchens wrote that Afghanistan is "the first country in history to be bombed out of the stone age."

It appears now that Iraq is the second.

Thank you for the wonderful tribute.

Garin


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Tuesday, February 1, 2005 - 11:44pmSanction this postReply
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Thank you all very much indeed for your kind words.

Barbara

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Wednesday, February 2, 2005 - 11:06amSanction this postReply
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"And so, my friends, join me in saluting the newborn Iraqi baby whom its happy parents have named “Election.”

I will be sure and salute the desire for freedom wherever I can find it.

Salutations to Barbara and the Baby!!!


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Thursday, February 3, 2005 - 12:23amSanction this postReply
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This is very beautiful. (Barbara and I can never talk to each other during events like this because we are always crying.)

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Thursday, February 3, 2005 - 11:52pmSanction this postReply
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Well, you still haven't removed me from this board per my request, so I can't resist one last dig.

Miss Branden, Mr. Perigo, and all you supporters of the Iraq War: I feel sorry for you people. You are all so far removed from reality that I can just pity you at this point. SOLO style objectivism has become a weird cult of death, self-sacrifice, imperialism, statism and warmongering. Of course, not a one of you is bothering to get within 5000 miles of Iraq, despite your constant ranting about what a great and noble cause it is. As per usual, the political and intellectual classes chatter in comfort while underpaid 20 year old boys die or are mutilated for life. Good bye, and my sincere wishes that SOLO goes to hell in a handbasket. You are all becoming a very bad joke. Ha ha!


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Friday, February 4, 2005 - 12:32amSanction this postReply
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"Of course, not a one of you is bothering to get within 5000 miles of Iraq, despite your constant ranting about what a great and noble cause it is. As per usual, the political and intellectual classes chatter in comfort while underpaid 20 year old boys die or are mutilated for life."

Mr. Fulwiler,

You are correct that I, for one have not bothered to go to Iraq to fight the war myself. As a 38-year-old out-of-shape mother of 5, I think I can accomplish much more here, taking care of my children, than I would in Iraq. Besides, I have a strong suspicion that the military would refuse my services if I offered.

However, you are very wrong to imply that none of us is at risk as a result of this war. My 24-year-old brother is in Baghdad. He volunteered to be among those who patrolled the streets during the elections--to ensure the safe delivery of this newborn babe Ms. Brandon so beautifully spoke of. And he is proud to do it, even though it means that he has been away from his own newborn baby for 6 months, and is well-aware that he risks his life every moment. It is true that even if I were a lily-livered, hit-me-again-I-deserve-it cowardly Saddamite, I could not have stopped him from going.

As I write this tears are coming to my eyes--partly from the overwhelming pride I feel for my brother and what he is willing to risk, and partly in frustration that you, and the cowards like you, continue to deny the importance and the RIGHTNESS of what he and his fellow soldiers are doing.

"SOLO style objectivism has become a weird cult of death, self-sacrifice, imperialism, statism and warmongering."

Clearly, sir, you have not been paying attention and it's not likely that you'll start now.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

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Friday, February 4, 2005 - 12:51amSanction this postReply
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Tenya - I don't know you at all, but I know you have a noble soul. And your brother, the likes of whom the disgusting Saddamite above you betrays, sure as hell has a noble soul also. I salute you both.

Linz

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Friday, February 4, 2005 - 1:41amSanction this postReply
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Mr. Fulwiler, even among vehement antiwar people, some are decent and benevolent enough to rejoice in an event such as I wrote about. So you see, your malice and pettiness are simply your own.

Much as I admire Tenya McCampbell's attitude, I must disagree with her on one point. Mr. Fulwiler, DO let the door hit you in the ass.

Barbara Branden

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Friday, February 4, 2005 - 1:47amSanction this postReply
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As per its request, the maggot has now been removed.

Linz

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Friday, February 4, 2005 - 7:25amSanction this postReply
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Dammit, Linz, I just took a shot at The Maggot on another thread here, and now he's not around to take the hit. We gain no pleasure from the presence of Saddamites on this planet, so please don't deprive me of my future sadistic satisfactions.

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Friday, February 4, 2005 - 11:57amSanction this postReply
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Bob,

Just a simple question, and I don't mean this in some disingenuous way. I understand most Objectivists are in favor of a minimal, constitutionally limited state. But the comments here seem to view pro-democracy. Maybe my memory is playing tricks but I don't seem to recall, from my earlier days when I was more Objectivistic, democracy being regarded as so great. I seem to recall Rand referring to it as mob rule, etc. Has there been a change among Objectivists in this regard...?

Or is the view here that *any* democracy is significantly better than what they had before, even if it is not certain yet to be a Republic or a very limited democracy...? (e.g., if they elect some radical Muslims or something).

What exactly is it in your view that is so good here, about the election--is it just an improvement; or is it something about democracy now that is inherently good, in your view?

Just curious, I don't mean to challenge you.

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