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Post 40

Monday, March 21, 2005 - 10:07pmSanction this postReply
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Andre (Post 32): many thanks. I told this particular story only to make a point. I really don't have the desire to relate personal tales for their own sake, which is gossipy.

Barbara (Post 34): thank you, too. As for the advertised celluloid chronicle of Leonard Peikoff's heroic life, gosh, I just can't wait. Especially with such "heroism" consisting of: being tortured by an inner dichotomy, trekking from the untamed wilds of Canada to the civilized streets of the U. S., actually meeting his author/mentor, then being taught by her, mastering the daunting and unprecedented challenges of "learning how to think and write," receiving "special insights" into his mentor's "unique mind and values," acquiring skill at presenting and promoting his mentor's ideas, overseeing publication of his mentor's works, and then -- to top it off -- actually acquiring his own "personal value system, artistic favorites and personal life"...

...well goll-lleee, folks, I ask you: Has such an heroic figure ever loomed so large over the global landscape? What an inspiration to all of us to demonstrate the benefits of a Philosophy for Living on Earth!

Barbara, your P.P.S. in fact actually demonstrates Leonard's heroic modesty: Note that he didn't take deserved credit for having the keen acumen and profound wisdom to accept your invitation to meet Ayn Rand. Now, he could have chosen otherwise, you know; but even THEN, at the tender age of 17, the boy genius grasped the Essentials, understood that this pivotal moment was a Selective Re-Creation of Reality, and then let NOTHING deter him from answering "YES" when you invited him!

An inspiration, I tell you, an inspiration!

Wayne (post 36): I of course deserve all the nice things you said about me, and none of the criticisms... No, seriously, a couple points of clarification:

Regarding my supposedly coming to agree with Schwartz's criticism of libertarianism: at exactly the same time that he published his critique, I had published my own, titled "Libertarianism: Fallacies and Follies." It was in the spring of 1985, in fact. It differed from Schwartz's in a fundamental way: I did not try to claim all libertarians were irrationalists, subjectivists, etc., by using the worst examples within the movement as representative of it. The libertarian movement then was far less dominated by anarchists, anti-war pacifists, opponents of intellectual property rights, and (yes) unsavory subjectivist sorts than it is today. So his screed was simply an unfair smear when he issued it. 

Later, while at TOC, I, along with my colleagues, gave a several-year stab at trying to influence the libertarian movement in more positive directions. However, speaking for myself, I've concluded during the past couple of years that the effort was a failure. Most libertarians have never really bothered to grasp the philosophical fundamentals of Objectivism, and continue to spread gross misconceptions about it. The worst elements, including what Linz calls the Saddamites, have come to dominate most of the major libertarian organs. So I conclude, sadly, that Objectivists must divorce themselves from that movement, clearly distinguishing an Objectivist political alternative.

As for my supposedly twisting this thread in order to grind my own axes against ARI: the opening salvo here was a claim that ARI was much better than has been assumed by many of us. I don't think my responses to that claim have been at all irrelevant: I have merely disagreed, and provided counter-examples.

It's not like I'm hijacking this thread to shamelessly promote something totally off-topic...like [http://bidinotto.journalspace.com] The Bidinotto Blog, or something like that, is it???

It may surprise you to hear that I believe ARI has been generally superior to TOC in several fundamental organizational and marketing respects, and also in projecting a sense of being moral crusaders. TOC needs improvement in those areas. Substantively, however, I think TOC has been much better than ARI on a number of significant issues, some of which include the very definition of what it means to be "an Objectivist."

 James Heaps-Nelson (post 37): excellent observations.


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Post 41

Monday, March 21, 2005 - 10:31pmSanction this postReply
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Er... ahem... think Peikoff needs a screenwriter? I could do a sample scene...

Michael


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Monday, March 21, 2005 - 10:58pmSanction this postReply
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Michael, I rather like the one you already wrote. (Shhh!)

Barbara

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Monday, March 21, 2005 - 11:03pmSanction this postReply
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Pete: "Well, how heroic!"

Yes.

Barbara


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Monday, March 21, 2005 - 11:07pmSanction this postReply
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Robert: "An inspiration, I tell you, an inspiration!"

I humbly stand corrected.

Barbara

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Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 3:10amSanction this postReply
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What exactly does the term "Saddamite" mean at solo, and in general?

Thanks,
Dean

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Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 4:20amSanction this postReply
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Robert,

Did you notice, as a friend of mine did, that the DVD's description actually says that it took Peikoff 30 years to learn how to think? Ha ha.

Alec


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Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 6:32amSanction this postReply
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Alec, the "ha ha" was needlessly cruel. I think the problem here is that the promo copy for Peikoff's life story was just too dry and unadorned.

Now, I have a helpful idea. Think how much better the DVD would be if it were backed up, say, by an inspiring John Williams soundtrack.

Steven Spielberg and George Lucas have said that Williams' music probably adds about 50% of the excitement to their films. Given the intrinsic limitations of the DVD's source material, it's clear that it would benefit enormously with a background score featuring music such as the title theme for "Superman."


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Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 11:19amSanction this postReply
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Dean,

Search for Lindsay's article "Saddam Succours" parts 1&2 for the answer to your question.

Ethan


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Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 11:53amSanction this postReply
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Why do you guys have so much fun trashing Leonard Peikoff? It's not as if you're criticizing some idea of his, you're just vindictively mocking him. Speaking of "sense of life", that doesn't fit my idea of a good one, especially when the general situation is more tragic than funny.

By the way, does ARI use the term "intellectual heir"? Because it's not only an anti-concept, it goes right against everything Ayn Rand ever said on the subject of other people speaking for her.


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Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 12:05pmSanction this postReply
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Shayne,

ARI does use the term intellectual heir.  Go to their website, go to "Frequently Asked Questions."  Go  to "What is Objectivism."  Go to "Who is Leonard Peikoff."  You will see that they call him Ayn Rand's legal and intellectual heir.  Sorry.  I don't do links well.

Bill


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Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 12:23pmSanction this postReply
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Bill: Yes, I see it at http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=faq_index.

Maybe they should have a question and answer to "What is an 'intellectual heir'"? Because at face value the term is very weird.

Could it mean  Peikoff inherited her intellect? -- Obviously silly.

The right to her book copyrights? -- So what?

She agreed that Peikoff speaks for her? -- Outright contradicted by her own words said just a few years before her death.

Baffling.


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Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 1:03pmSanction this postReply
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Shayne writes:

Why do you guys have so much fun trashing Leonard Peikoff? It's not as if you're criticizing some idea of his, you're just vindictively mocking him. Speaking of "sense of life", that doesn't fit my idea of a good one, especially when the general situation is more tragic than funny.


Shayne, please don't blame "you guys." Blame just me, since I've been the major "offender" -- if "offense" it be -- and yes, I am having fun. Why? Because I find insufferable and absurd the excruciating pomposity and inflated image of this supposed Objectivist oracle. I say "supposed" because I believe that even his pronouncements about the philosophy are too often very mistaken and misleading.

As a result of that sort of thing, the public reputation of Objectivism is suffering badly. The behavior by such people departs so blatantly from stated Objectivist principles that it subjects the philosophy to ongoing public ridicule. In response, our own mockery of that behavior, as Objectivists, will help to distinguish rational Objectivists from Objectivist pretenders in the eyes of the public.

By the way, does ARI use the term "intellectual heir"? Because it's not only an anti-concept, it goes right against everything Ayn Rand ever said on the subject of other people speaking for her.


Yes, it does use that term. From the ARI website "FAQ":

[Question] Who is Leonard Peikoff?

[Answer] Dr. Leonard Peikoff is Ayn Rand's legal and intellectual heir and the foremost authority on her philosophy. A short biographical essay is available on his Web site:

www.peikoff.com.


Let me repeat a point I have made elsewhere. Nowhere did Ayn Rand ever write or publicly state that Leonard Peikoff was her "intellectual heir." Ever. Peikoff was designated only as her legal and financial heir to her estate. Period.

You're right, Shayne: Rand made clear the reason for not using that designation after her split with Nathaniel Branden, whom she had publicly labeled her "intellectual heir" in pre-1968 editions of Atlas Shrugged. Having been embarrassed by that experience, she wrote that she would never again authorize any entity or group to presume to speak for her.

In that regard, I issue a PUBLIC CHALLENGE to ARI, or anyone else, to demonstrate that Ayn Rand ever named Leonard Peikoff her "intellectual heir," in so many words. I will accept as authoritative any statement to that effect made at a public event, before sufficient witnesses so as to be incontrovertible, or any statement to that effect she set down anywhere in writing.

I do not expect any takers. Even Peikoff, who used to make that inflated claim, no longer does; his website bio says simply that "Peikoff is Rand's legal heir." However, he evidently does nothing to discourage others, such as ARI, from using the "intellectual heir" term to describe him.

Circuitous verbal choreography is in evidence concerning a related matter: whether Peikoff is the authoritative spokesman for what constitutes "Objectivism."

On the ARI site, the FAQ says:

[Question] Is ARI or anyone else formally vested with the right to speak on behalf of Ayn Rand's Objectivism?

[Answer] No. Therefore, as much as possible, the answers in this FAQ section are quoted from Ayn Rand's own writings—and material that is not quoted from her, although written by Objectivist scholars whom we consider fully qualified, has to be judged by each reader as to its consistency with Ayn Rand's published writings, as well, of course, as to its validity.


Yet at the end of Peikoff's own website bio, we find this:

He is author of Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand (Dutton, 1991), the definitive statement of Objectivism.


"The definitive statement of Objectivism"? Superceding even, say, Atlas Shrugged?

The reasons for these weasel-worded, self-contradictory obfuscations should be obvious. And pretty damned hypocritical, too, given their eager denunciations of others for trying to "cash in on Ayn Rand's name."



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Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 9:09amSanction this postReply
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This is my first post at SOLOHQ. I'm going to risk bringing the conversation back around to the original topic.

Tom, I was pleased to read your account of Yaron Brook's statements; they've made me more open to ARI as well. However, some are contradictory.

He said he believes that America has no business trying to spread democracy or to try to strip other countries of WMDs. I agree with him. But to help justify his position for attacking Iran, he warned that Iran is developing . . . WMDs. Huh?

He also said that Iran is harboring Al Qaeda cells. Well, I hate to say this, but there are dozens of countries suspected of containing AQ cells (including America). The organization is extremely decentralized.

War is the greatest tool of collectivists. Aside from mass death and destruction, it entails civil liberty restrictions, dramatically increased government spending, and deceitful propagandizing by state officials. That's why Ayn Rand eschewed every American military campaign in the twentieth century.

Clearly, America is vastly philosophically and existentially superior to any Middle Eastern dictatorship. I'm not sure what's meant by "Saddamites", but I work at the Cato Institute, and I don't know anyone here whose heart bleeds for Hussein. Regardless, any war not fought to repel an imminent invasion isn't an act of self-preservation.

It's an atrocity that's as antithetical to freedom as antitrust or socialized medicine. And it makes us more prone to foreign attacks, not less so.


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Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 1:47pmSanction this postReply
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Robert: I don't see how mocking the man who wrote the definitive work on Ayn Rand's philosophy, the man she chose to leave all her money and copyrights to, is going to help your public image. By default they are going to probably assume that he is probably representing her fairly well, and that you're just disgruntled. Additionally, the public generally hates to see mudslinging.

Furthermore, even if you are right about all the errors you think he made (and I would not take your word for it), the fact remains that Peikoff has primarily been a value-creator in the Objectivist movement for most of his career, and many Objectivists, including me, have benefited greatly from the positive in his works. I would certainly welcome reasoned critique of ideas Peikoff furthered that you think are wrong, but I think this trashing of him is pointless, self-destructive, and destructive of the Objectivist movement.

(Edited by Shayne Wissler on 3/22, 1:49pm)


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Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 2:06pmSanction this postReply
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Robert,

"Nowhere did Ayn Rand ever write or publicly state that Leonard Peikoff was her "intellectual heir." Ever."

Whazzat???

Dayamm!

I've been in Brazil way too long.

I quoted you in large type because I am not so sure that this is common knowledge - despite your other writings. I didn't know this until just now. I am very interested to see if there are any takers for your dare.

That is just plain dishonest. There is no excuse for that - none.

I'm not part of the ARI dispute. When I came back to the USA, I looked around first and decided to limit myself for the time being to SOLO because I saw a concern with truth, regardless of where that leads. There was too much controversy surrounding excommunications for me to be comfortable with getting close to ARI.

But any organization based on a premise like that... well... I just don't know what to say...

This goes way beyond personalities. They have to get their house in order. They seriously run the risk of being judged by history as being the laughing stock of the Objectivist movement and dwindling to a simple footnote.

Michael


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Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 2:17pmSanction this postReply
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"Blame just me, since I've been the major "offender" -- if "offense" it be -- and yes, I am having fun."

Oh no you don't, Robert! I'm just as "guilty" as you are, and you have no right to take all the credit.

As for the issue of Peikoff being named by Rand as her intellectual heir, I second your challenge to prove it. It can;t be proved, because it never happened.

I have been appalled more times than I care to remember by atrocities emanating from ARI -- particularly from Peikoff, since he is the most public member of the organization. He and ARI are widely seen as zealots, as cultists, and I'm not able to defend them against the charge. And their record of excommunications is an embarrassment that I always have to deal with at some point when I'm speaking publicly about Objectivism.

Peikoff is and always has been a Rationalist, in the philosophical sense of that term. Rand spent endless hours over many years trying to cure him of this error, but although he would often seem at least momentarily to grasp the nature of his mistake, it never left him. It is a serious mistake which undercuts his understanding of Objectivism; and it permeates his lecturing and writing, as James Heaps-Nelson has ably pointed out.

So, Shayne, I shall continue to defend Objectivism and Ayn Rand,, not Leonard Peikoff and ARI. If this be treason, make the most of it.

Barbara


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Dean,

On this website, the term 'Saddamite' refers to anyone opposed to the regime change experiment in Iraq.  It is a smear tag designed to imply that such an individual is necessarilly a Baathist at heart, or at least the moral equivalent.  Anyone who uses the term is basically saying that they don't want to engage in rational argument on that issue. 


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Shane,

Why do I openly laugh at Peikoff and enjoy it thoroughly?  It has nothing to do with the public perception of Objectivism.  It's justice.  If you behave ridiculously and act like a fool, you can expect to be ridiculed and called foolish.  Here is a quote from my favorite book, _Pride and Prejudice_ , that pretty well sums up my feelings about ridicule:

"I hope I never ridicule what is wise or good. Follies and nonsense, whims and inconsistencies, do divert me, I own, and I laugh at them whenever I can."

Kelly


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Pete says:
On this website, the term 'Saddamite' refers to anyone opposed to the regime change experiment in Iraq. 
That's never been the case.  Those who push this view are really working on their own obfuscation.  They want to blur the line between those who thought it was unnecessary or not the best strategic move, and those who think it was morally wrong of the US-led coalition and that the US had no right to invade.  The latter group believes the US act was criminal.  Logically, that means they should be for the removal of the US and the reinstatement of Saddam, since he and his regime were the 'victims'.

As I posted elsewhere:
Well, the word is coined to be offensive.  But there is an underlying meaning to it, which Lindsay has explained over and over starting with his Saddam's Succours.  I take it to mean those who oppose the invasion of Iraq, not because they have a better alternative, but because they don't think it's morally right.  He lists those people who argue America isn't perfectly free, so we have no right.  And those people who argue that since we once supported Iraq, we somehow are as guilty as they are, and can't object to anything they do.  And those people who argue that we should have trusted Saddam when he said he didn't have any weapons.  And on and on.  I don't see these as examples of people who would have preferred a different strategy.  I see it as people who opposed this war entirely, and wouldn't even if it were the only option.  It's not about suggesting a better alternative, unless that alternative is inaction.  These are people who think that toppling Saddam was not a value at all, instead of those who think that other things are more valuable.

And like all classifications, there are sub-classes as well.  As Lindsay mentioned in his own posts, there are the "pacifist" Saddamites, who argue that war is always evil.  There are the "anti-American" or "Anarcho-" Saddamites, who hate America so much, they oppose every action and jump for joy at every disaster. I would add the "Anti-Republican" Saddamites, who hate Bush, and would rather see America burn and our soldiers die than to have him for another 4 years.  There are the "Don't piss off the madmen" Saddamites, who are more concerned with upsetting people trying to kill us than doing anything about it.  There are the "Appeaser" Saddamites, who think everyone wants peace, so if we just give them stuff, they'll be our friends.  There are the "We can't win!" Saddamites, who are so afraid of the terrorists that they believe surrender is our only chance of survival.  There are the "It's all our fault anyway" Saddamites, who don't care about whether we live or die because the terrorists are doing the right thing and we caused it anway and so we have no moral right to do anything.  And there are the "No taxation" Saddamites, who argue that the US can't defend itself or it's people as long as they are doing it with tax money.  You can also call that one the "Moral Equivocation" Saddamites since they think that the violations of our freedom at home are morally equivalent to everyone other country's, or maybe the "Refuse to live in a non-ideal world" Saddamites.  And that's just a short list!
Notice that this obfuscation tries to lump anyone with the slightest disagreement on strategy or priorities with those who scream that Bush is a war criminal and the US is a totalitarian police state.  Nor do I think it would be different if other terminology was used.  The point is to deflect criticism of the psychotic Saddamites (or insert your own word) by pointing at fundamentally different people who also oppose the war, and forcing an equivocation.  After all, if you can't identify them, you can't criticize them.

The parallel to Objectivist thought is the relationship between altruism and benevolence.  By equating the two, the altruists benefit in two ways.  First, they parasitically feed on the good-will tied to benevolence.  Second, they obfuscate their own nature so that nobody can identify clearly the nature of altruism.


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