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Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 11:55amSanction this postReply
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Metaphysical justice is a kind of justice. In other words, it is the method by which people get what they deserve. It doesn't require other people to enact the justice. Reality is fully capable of providing the result. To avoid confusion, this does not mean that some supernatural entity provides the justice either. No, this kind of justice is served by the Law of Identity
The way I see it, the idea that each individual will always "get only what they deserve" is a false notion.  The problem here is that there are too many variables beyond the control of the individual.  My Dad died of a brain tumor.  Prove to me that he deserved to get a brain tumor or had any way of knowing what was going to cause it ahead of time?  Medical science doesn't even know the cause, so how could my Dad have prevented this?

I also disagree with the idea that Reality is fully knowable. By this I mean that every last detail of reality is, most likely, unknowable.  Did Ayn Rand 100% fully know every aspect of herself, and was she fully conscious of every chemical reaction occurring within her body, with the ability to tweak her own body's reactions with 100% precision.  I highly doubt this. 

Does anyone here know exactly what your liver is up to at the moment, or know exactly what is happening in every cell of your body?  Can anyone here honestly tell me that you fully know ALL the external variables (weather, solar radiation, human activity, pathogen activity) that could indirectly affect your life, and do you have the ability to predict and tweak those external variables with precision.  I highly doubt this.

While humans are free to ATTEMPT (with some degree of success) to control their lives, it is clear that humans do NOT have ABSOLUTE control over their lives.   Only if humans had COMPLETE AND TOTAL control over their lives, would ut be accurate to say that an individual gets is "what he/she deserves."  The truth is that humans DO NOT have complete control over their lives, so individuals are not responsible for everything that happens to them.   While humans often do get what they deserve, humans can easily encounter tragedy or painful events without being the cause of those events.  Deny this, and you are denying reality.

Jay


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Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 10:26pmSanction this postReply
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Jay, you are thinking about the right kinds of things and if you continue down this (sometimes) very dark road I expect you will find the sun will break through the clouds at times along the way.

Justice has nothing to do with the metaphysically given. Rocks, volcanos and earthquakes are all gonna do what they are gonna do. We can manipulate these things somewhat but we are not in anything like total control over them. The same, unfortunately, is true for cancer. Perhaps great minds will find a cure for it one day but until they do we have to accept cancer for what it is.

Justice only has meaning in connection with man's volition. Consider what things men do have control over and then re-work through whatever concerns you might have.

Reality hurts everyone. Some more than others. It's what we can control that makes us who we are.

I'm sorry for you and for your father.


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Friday, April 29, 2005 - 8:17amSanction this postReply
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What thoughtful and  heartwarming posts.

I took care of a wonderful woman named Pam who did me the honor of being my wife for nearly 20 years before she died from complications due to MS.

She was the epitome of sweetness and light and, to use an old-fashioned word, "graciousness." 

She, to, didn't "deserve" to have MS.

We sometimes forget, I think, that Objectivism's recognition that A is A can be a source of comfort when we lose a great value.  It was for me.  I hope it will be for you as well, Jay.

Tom


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Friday, April 29, 2005 - 8:26amSanction this postReply
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My father died of liver complications from ulcerative colitis when he was 34 and I was 9 years old. The way he faced it will continue to be an inspiration to me. I still remember him laughing and joking and playing his harmonica when we were in the airport for his emergency flight back to Miami from Argentina. He was the one cheering everyone else up!

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