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Tuesday, December 6, 2005 - 5:11amSanction this postReply
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Hi Tibor:

Thank you for this fine essay.

I have sent it on to some of my friends and colleagues.

Take care.

Ed


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Tuesday, December 6, 2005 - 9:35amSanction this postReply
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Tibor,

I am not sure you can qualify your statement regarding to a more-than-populus understanding of faith is known only to a few theologians.

Also, you immediately go to examples of faith as faith in literal interpretation of Bible miracles, and for the same reasons I am not sure about that.

My experience tells me that there are not only a significant number of theologians, but a significant number of churchgoers who define faith in a more sophisticated manner than that.

When religious folk use the word "faith," it is very often beyond the strict dictionary definition use. Language is used differently in many religious communities. Maybe that's against Objectivist rules, but still, it is the case.

In my church, "faith" comes largely from very solid places, such as ourselves, our families, and the religious community of which we are a part.

Rich Engle
East Shore Unitarian Universalist Church


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Tuesday, December 6, 2005 - 12:44pmSanction this postReply
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Rich said:
When religious folk use the word "faith," it is very often beyond the strict dictionary definition use.
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In my church, "faith" comes largely from very solid places, such as ourselves, our families, and the religious community of which we are a part.
Rich: can you be more specific?  What does it mean for faith to come from yourself?  Also, can you give an example of a way in which the word "faith" is used which differs from Tibor's definition:
Faith is, after all, a non-rational commitment and, except for just a few theologians, is understood as ascent to various beliefs without evidence and argument, indeed, even ascent against evidence and argument.  [Emphasis added.]
Thanks,
Glenn


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Tuesday, December 6, 2005 - 2:55pmSanction this postReply
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Rich, boy you are asking for it today.  The nonsense gushing forth from your keyboard (most of which I have already thoroughly critiqued on other threads) is more grotesque then ever. 

Most religions (directly or indirectly) utilize "faith" in exactly the way Tibor describes in his article to explain their beliefs. 

 - Jason

(Edited by Jason Quintana on 12/06, 3:01pm)


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Wednesday, December 7, 2005 - 11:51pmSanction this postReply
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I wish to second the request for some definition or at least characterization of the concept "faith" that shows mine to be lacking in sophistication. Also, some examples would help. If there is faith, it must be some kind of being or process or relationship and I gave an admittedly succinct statement of what kind it is (As Thomas Aquinas put it, "in faith the assent ... is not caused by the thought but by the will."  One has faith in someone one no longer can trust—as a wife may have faith in a repeatedly philandering husband, despite all the evidence.  It takes faith to believe that this man will never repeat his betrayals. One has faith in some idea or story when it is otherwise, in mundane terms, incredible.) It is by no means some Objectivist malady to want to have terms defined so they help us distinguish various different aspects or parts of reality. Any field of inquiry, any discipline must insist on this, even poetry or music.

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Monday, July 22, 2013 - 4:04pmSanction this postReply
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