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Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 9:38amSanction this postReply
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While Capitalism itself is amoral the transactions within it encourage the use of one’s talents which Aquinas would agree with very much.
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Correction: Capitalism is the ONLY moral social system (the one fully respecting man's rights).

Ed


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Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 3:39pmSanction this postReply
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Real quick: what's this article doing up on a website that is titled Rebirth of REASON and claims to espouse Objectivism? 

How are faith and reason not contradictory when reason means, among other things, not accepting things on faith?

Objectivism is most unequivocal that tying capitalism to religion, unreason, faith, altruism and any such notions undermines the intellectual basis for capitalism.


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Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:49pmSanction this postReply
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Chris,

I think articles like this get posted because Objectivists are interested in the broader philosophical scene and how certain ideas might be used by Objectivists.  Of course, if you take some things Rand said, all philosophy since 1274 is bunk, but even many Os are coming to see that isn't quite true.  (For example, many Os praise the enlightenement even though Rand didn't seem to have much positive to say about Locke, et al.)


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Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 6:06pmSanction this postReply
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Hi Folks,

This article was submitted by one of Ed Younkin's students.

     He is encouraging them to write and express their ideas. I think it's useful for Objectivists to be able to challenge these ideas. How we interact with those who espouse or accept ideas such as the common incorrect belief that Capitalism is amoral is important. If you want to take on the task of spreading Objectivist ideas and supporting capitalism you need to be armed with the best arguments and the ability to get your ideas across. How you deal with things like this is important. While you may not convince your primary "adversary," you may very well convince another who is just listening.

Ethan

(Edited by Ethan Dawe on 6/08, 6:08pm)


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Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 10:16pmSanction this postReply
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I agree with Ethan -- allowing for dissent is a good thing (as long as it is "dealt with" appropriately).

Ed


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Friday, June 9, 2006 - 5:58amSanction this postReply
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Hi Guys:

Check out these paragraphs from my Freeman essay and you will see the context that I believe my student may have had in mind.

The Freeman: Ideas on Liberty - November 1997
Vol. 47 No. 11
Features: Business and Morality in a Free Society
By Edward W. Younkins



There can be no morality without responsibility and no responsibility without self-determination. Responsible self-determination implies rationality, honesty, self-control, productiveness, and perseverance. In order to provide the maximum self-determination for each individual, the state should be limited to maintaining justice and defending against internal or external coercion, thus protecting life, liberty, and property.

A social system such as capitalism is a system of relationships and cannot be moral or immoral in the sense that a person can be—only individuals can be moral agents. However, a social system can be moral in its effects if it promotes the possibility and likelihood of moral behavior by individuals who act within it. It follows, then, that there is a moral imperative to create a political and economic system that permits the greatest possibility for self-determination and moral agency. Capitalism is that system.

Capitalism is itself only a means and requires its individual participants to decide on the ends to be pursued. No economic system can make people good. The best that an economic system can do is to allow people to be good. But morality and virtue require that individuals be free to be immoral and of bad character. Only when an individual has choice and bears responsibility for his actions can he be moral. Capitalism, more than other economic systems, allows the exercise of individual free will. Thus, though capitalism cannot guarantee a moral society, it is necessary for one.

Human development usually requires more than material wealth. However, prosperity enables individuals to cultivate their talents, abilities, and virtues. Thus, capitalism, the best system for wealth creation, permits individuals to spend less time on physical concerns, leaving them more time to engage in higher pursuits.

etc., etc.,

Thanks!!!

Ed





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Friday, June 9, 2006 - 12:01pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Ed. That clears things up a bit.

Ed


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