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Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 7:23amSanction this postReply
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I've decided that this whole topic of Rand/Branden is not really worthwhile. It adds nothing to my understanding of Objectivism, and furthermore it is mostly based on hearsay and conflicting testimony from sides with axes to grind. That said, I find the words and actions of the Branden's to be highly suspect. I don't begrudge Valliant his efforts to write a book that defends Rand's character against the portrayals by the Branden's and others. If it's a value to them, then fine. In time, this will not matter. The philosophy is Rand's legacy and it is unassailable by all the muck anyone can toss. Rand made a point of not calling Objectivism "Randism" and would probably have been the first to say, it's not about me.

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Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 8:47amSanction this postReply
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Ethan,

I agree that the whole topic of Rand/Branden is not worthwhile and that it adds nothing to an understanding of Objectivism. 

I've known Nathaniel Branden since the early seventies and in the many times I've heard him speak of Ayn Rand, not once has he said anything that wasn't respectful.  And I've never known him to show less than the highest of integrity.

If I remember right, Rand said she was much too conceited to give her name to her philosophy ;-)


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Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 1:50pmSanction this postReply
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I've decided that this whole topic of Rand/Branden is not really worthwhile. It adds nothing to my understanding of Objectivism, and furthermore it is mostly based on hearsay and conflicting testimony from sides with axes to grind 

----Amen Ethan!


In my emotionless realm of ideas Branden seems to work somewhat peacefully with Rand.  It is unfortunate if anyone would let this gossip mentality distract them from discovering the intellectual merits of one or both of these people.  The characters of Rand and Branden are of zero interest to me.  I follow the Aristotilian view of my character existing separately, not necessarily being what I wish it to be or what others believe it to be .  I think that most of these Rand/Branden character defenses are of the ad hominem variety, and useless to all of us. 
To be more on topic:  I can't begin to guess what any of Rand's personal relationships had to do with her influence on the libertarian movement. 



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Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 2:56pmSanction this postReply
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I appreciate Dennis Hardin's comments about the vitriolic attacks of Mr. Valliant on Nathaniel Branden, with whom I was acquainted as a client over the space of several years. His behavior was consistently honest and direct, and he clearly conducted himself according to a standard of high integrity. I always considered him a remarkable man, someone to try to emulate.

Having read Brian Doherty's Radicals for Capitalism, I have to disagree with Mr. Hardin's characterization of Doherty's writing about Objectivism as objective and neutral. I was struck by the oddity of Mr.Doherty singling out Rand's ideas for repeated critcism, in contrast to his studied neutrality concerning the ideas of other thinkers discussed in his book. One revealing footnote in the book presents a brief attempted refutation of Rand's thinking about, as I seem to recall, ethics, by David Gordon, a devout Catholic who writes and reviews books for the Mises Institute. Another attempted to take down Rand's epistemology at its base by attacking the reliablity of the evidence of the senses.

I suspect Brian Doherty is a religious libertarian. If so, it's not hard to grasp why he would be motivated to attack Rand's philosophical insights, while remaining neutral with regard to other libertarian thinkers.


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Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 3:52pmSanction this postReply
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Dennis, thanks for this article. Very interesting discussion of Atlas Shrugged. I'm surprised as well that someone could describe it as nightmarish. Certainly if he skipped large parts of it, it could leave that impression. That's a lot of skipping!

While the Rand gossip has never interested me, it seems like Mr. Doherty might have been trying to present her in a positive light, giving benefit of the doubt to those "on her side". If he had spent most of his time discussing the worst rumors, it would have come off as a smear job, even if it was true. Spending that much focus on gossip instead of her ideas and influence would have been a bit too selective and given the appearance of an ad hominem. Is it possible that "balance" was the goal? If he's really trying to be objective, that might be part of his attempt.

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Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 11:25pmSanction this postReply
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Ethan:

 

I’m afraid that Ayn Rand did say that Objectivism was ‘about her’…

 

 

“My personal life,” says Ayn Rand, “is a postscript to my novels; it consists of the sentence: ‘And I mean it.’  I have always lived by the philosophy I present in my books…” 

         (from Atlas Shrugged—“ABOUT THE AUTHOR”)

 

That is precisely why Objectivists must be scrupulously honest about any respects in which she may not have lived up to her principles.  To do otherwise is to imply that some notion of personal loyalty or devotion should take priority over reality—and decimate the very foundation of what we hold dear. 

 

No focused beginner will come away from PARC with a scintilla of respect for Objectivism as a philosophy founded upon a respect for the absolutism of reality.  The book is a transparent attempt to paper over the shortcomings of Ayn Rand, and it makes Objectivism look like a bad joke.

 

Personally, I was hoping that PARC would have long since faded away into the oblivion it so richly deserves—and I believe it was beginning to do so.  That is why Doherty’s favorable comments are so unfortunate—and why they require a prompt and succinct refutation.

 

Mark,

 

Your comments about Nathaniel Branden reflect a position very similar to my own. While I am certain that we would have many disagreements about specific philosophical or ethical issues, I have had enough personal experience to say that I regard him as a man of genuine integrity.  And is it not a foundational ethical principle of Objectivism that we must stand up and defend our values when they are under attack?  I simply cannot remain silent when Doherty thoughtlessly lends his credibility to such an obvious exercise in calculated deceit.  And even worse, he was duplicitous to have relied so heavily on the Brandens as a resource and then end the book with such a brutal and careless slap in their face.

 

My dictionary defines neutral as

“the position of not being engaged on either side.” 

I certainly recognize that Doherty offered major criticisms of Objectivism and that these were stronger than his presentations of pro-Objectivist positions, so perhaps “neutral” does not exactly apply.  He did, however, appear to make some effort to present both sides of Rand‘s philosophy, despite his obvious disagreement with it. 

 

Joseph,

 

Thanks for your feedback.  Some sort of ‘balance’ may have indeed been Doherty’s goal, given that, for most of his book, he relied heavily on the testimony of those critical of Rand.  But ‘balance’ is not attained by validating the spurious conclusions of hatchet men like Valliant.  Doherty is giving credence to any jackass from the street who throws mud at a wall just to see if it sticks. His effort at “balance” undermines his entire voluminous history.  

 

 

 

 

 


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Friday, April 13, 2007 - 3:09pmSanction this postReply
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On The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson Ayn Rand said, and I quote from memory, "I have never had an emotion I could not account for." Now this is difficult to accept since many of our emotions are formed when we are infants, based on experiences we have no ability at that point to understand and cannot connect with the emotions they prompted in us.  This is one reason we employ psychotherapists who claim to have the skill to discover in some way how we have come to have these emotions, especially when they pose problems for us.

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Friday, April 13, 2007 - 4:59pmSanction this postReply
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The phrase "account for" can have different meanings from fully explain all the antecedents in every concrete detail to simply explain why one is feeling something in the most general or broad brush way.

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Friday, April 13, 2007 - 7:51pmSanction this postReply
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I suspect Brian Doherty is a religious libertarian.
I find this highly unlikely, based on my personal contact with both Brian Doherty and his wife Angela Keaton.


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Friday, April 13, 2007 - 8:12pmSanction this postReply
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On The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson Ayn Rand said, and I quote from memory, "I have never had an emotion I could not account for."
This is statement by Rand was either a flat-out lie or the product of an enormous egomania. Emotions are often the product of anchors (a term used in the world of neuro-linguistic programming). Here is one example.

I watched the movie Ten Things I Hate About You. I am a big fan of Julia Stiles, who starred in the movie. There is a scene with Julia dancing on a table rather provocatively. The song in the background is "Hypnotize" by the Notorious BIG.

Since then, what has happened each time I hear that song? I think of Julia Stiles dancing on the table. I had been indifferent to the song, but now I find myself liking it. That is an anchor.

A guy I work with tells me that his two-year-old daughter likes Norah Jones. Do you think the daughter knows why she likes Norah Jones?


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Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 5:32pmSanction this postReply
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Chris, I have never met Brian Doherty, so I cheerfully recant my mischaracteration of him as a religious libertarian.

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Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 1:52amSanction this postReply
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Chris, you were right when you stuck with people you knew.  My contact with Doherty would never have suggested he was a religious libertarian. Good call.

However, to be blunt, just how the hell do you think you can just psychologize someone you've never met before?  You have a theory about emotions and anchors and Rand must be a liar or an egomaniac?

Who's the egomaniacal one who demands that everyone's experiences have to have fit into his little idea of how emotions work?

That's just simply an astonishing display of hypocrisy.


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Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 12:42pmSanction this postReply
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     Let's see: Rand is either an egomaniac or a real no-problem-with-it, public liar.

     I think there's a term for this viewpoint-advocacy, no?

LLAP
J:D


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Monday, April 16, 2007 - 6:36pmSanction this postReply
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Who said "there  is no such thing as objectivism "? A certain subject has been brought to my attention about my ability to convey thoughts and ideas, most notably females have criticized what I say to what they hear . I believe the word for it is syntax, it is true I do the same thing when listening to a female mind. A person that is willing to test the limits of there mental abilities is bound to step on a few toes . As I see it all of  Miss. Rands associates were willing participants in her experiment and us survivors should benefit from there experience. I have learned a lot from Ayn Rands astute observation of the world of men, her work helps me learn more about the world around me and myself  every day.In a masculine vernacular I appreciate her criticism and humor of the male of the species. Excuse me while I go meditate on my male dignity  

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Friday, June 22, 2007 - 4:25pmSanction this postReply
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"David Gordon, a devout Catholic"

Wow, that will come as news to David.


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