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Monday, July 9, 2007 - 10:39amSanction this postReply
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Ted- it's a stretch to argue that gracile facial characteristics and the affectionate but mangled words of a foreign man mean that the subjects are homosexuals. And if they are, you draw an indistinct line between whether homosexual behavior is improper in itself, or just under the circumstances you mention (interrupting a marriage, for the thrill-not love, etc.). If you suggest that gays are inherently perverted and therefore pre-disposed to other forms of moral corruption such as terrorism, you have a steep intellectual hill to climb and have failed to do so here (on both the immorality of homosexuality and its link to general moral corruption). If, on the other hand, you are arguing simply that the unveiling of sexually degenerated acts have been used to hi-jack otherwise politically "normal" people to commit atrocities and that most home-grown terrorists fall into this category, you also have a steep factual hill to climb, since opinion polls out of the Middle East show strong regional support for terrorist networks and the historical evidence shows that Western countries always possess their share of individuals who side with ideologically insane political ideas from abroad.

It should not be surprising to see political radicalism spread to fools in the West-there are still plenty of self-professing Communists in Berkeley. To link sexual overtones to radical political leanings sounds too Freudian to me. Today Freud's views are studied from a historical and not a psychological standpoint in most universities, as most modern students of psychology consider his over-arching theories to be largely incorrect and misleading. While respecting your able intellect, I must also say that this article seems light on facts and strong on unsubstantiated opinions about sexuality and its links to terror. While there have probably been *some* cases of blackmail upon discovering embarrassing sexual acts, it seems more likely that the majority of jihadists are likely committing acts of terrorism due to their political and religious leanings- whether home-grown or foreign, without regard to their sexual underpinnings.

I would also point out Muslim culture's response to homosexuality. Whereas most Western countries have moved to a relatively tolerant stance towards homosexuality, in many Middle Eastern countries homosexuals are killed when discovered. Whereas in the West, the cultural repercussions of being "outed" are quite limited (and some would say positive, if not forcibly outed), the outing of Middle Eastern homosexuals can mean death. I hope I'm mis-interpreting you, but your final sentence sounds like you're saying gays are perverts who are more likely to join radical causes to redeem themselves from their moral degeneration. I'd be more interested in examining whether society's negative response to homosexuality (which varies widely) may be the main culprit in gay political radicalism as opposed to an inherent moral perversion stemming from homosexuality in and of itself, as you I've implicitly interpreted your text.

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Monday, July 9, 2007 - 1:59pmSanction this postReply
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You may not have read many of Ted's posts that can't be his motive in the slightest.  I believe it is the exact opposite, showing that where cultures repress sexuality - heterosexual and even MORE so homosexual - for example in Islam, and also in Catholicism to an unhealthy degree, you end up twisting that person.  This is a result of an entire societal structure telling someone they are evil and what it does to a person, not what being gay is about.  The results of oppression like this are very bad and help create twisted results like this in many ways - and this is one such example, I think.

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Monday, July 9, 2007 - 3:58pmSanction this postReply
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Sexual repression does mess up people. I am realizing now just how repressed my family was.

Ross Jeffries once told a guy: "Tell me about the pastor's daughter. They make the best lays." Could this be a reaction to the repression, I wonder?

Years ago, Terry Parker here in Austin ran an experimental apartment complex. It was experimental in the sense that everyone signed a non-agression agreement as part of the lease. The pool was clothing optional.


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Monday, July 9, 2007 - 4:45pmSanction this postReply
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After submitting this article, I feared I might be misinterpreted as arguing that Asha himself was necessarily a homosexual, or that homosexuality itself was a direct cause of people becoming terrorists. I considered requesting the moderator to withdraw the article, so I might expand it, but since I don't wish to change my general thesis, I figured it would be better to leave the article stand and comment afterward.

There are several points that I find interesting.

In the West, the "celibate" priesthood has long been the refuge of the closeted homosexual - and the predatory womanizer. We need not discuss at length the damage that this has led to. But since the sexual revolution, with the freeing up of sexual mores, the number of men entering traditional seminaries has decreased, with the Catholic priesthood suffering a crisis in recruiting, one that far exceeds the drop in the number of practicing Catholics. While it might be impossible to elicit any evidence to prove this, the question does arise, is it possible that the priesthood had served as a safety valve and an alternative for homosexuals men in the West, as a safety valve which is now, due to the removal of much of the "oppression" of homosexuals, no longer needed and thus much more rarely used?

If the West did indeed have the priesthood as a escape for homosexuals in the past, what is the corresponding cultural phenomenon for this in the Muslim world? Imams and mullahs are not priests in the Western sense, and all are expected to marry. In Hindu India, homosexuality as it is practiced in the West as the "gay" lifestyle is not historically seen as an acceptable way of life, but transsexuals do have the alternative of serving in a eunuch religious caste which is treated simultaneously as holy and as untouchable, and which serves to officiate at traditional weddings in order to bring fertility blessings upon the married couple. There is no sanctioned analog to this in devout Muslim society under Sharia law.

Most cultures also have holidays analogous to the Brazilian Carnivale where role reversal, sexual and otherwise, is accepted on at least a limited basis and under the pretense of anonymity. What is the Muslim analog to this?

Historically, homosexuality has not necessarily been associated with a lack of manliness or military prowess. The Sacred Band of Thebes, which consisted exclusively of mutually paired male lovers sworn to battle to the death was a legendary force in ancient Greece. Likewise, the Janissaries of the Ottoman empire were kidnapped and enslaved boys who were a nominally celibate caste that were raised as the shock troops of the sultan. And there are many other historical examples.

Essentially, the phenomenon that strikes me as most interesting is the rise of fundamentalist Islam which, since the Iranian revolution, and more importantly the end of the Cold War, has coincided with the establishment of forms of Sharia Law from Pakistan to Algeria and with the abolishment of cosmopolitan and liberal lifestyles that have been replaced by religious militancy, anti-Western pogroms, and sexual repression on a large scale. During the Cold War, most Muslim societies were either aligned with the liberal West or the nominally scientific, atheist, and egalitarian Soviet Union. For Islam, this was a choice between two evils, either decadence or apostasy. Now that the Soviet Union has collapsed and the West has done little in its indolence to cement liberal reforms in only half-Westernized lands, we see the atavistic reactionary barbarity of Hamas, Hizbollah, Jamiat Islamiya, Al Qaida and so forth resurgent.

Is it any wonder that these barbaric forces, which simultaneously adopt Western arms and Qur'anic tactics would adopt the techniques tested and proven during the Palestinian-Israeli conflict of hijackings, roadside bombings, kidnapping, assassination - and suicide bombings? And is it any wonder that those who see themselves as misfits for whatever reason would be willing recruits to a cause which promises a heady combination of sex and death in the bargain?

Ted Keer

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Monday, July 9, 2007 - 4:52pmSanction this postReply
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Scott, my apologies, anyone not knowing my previous posting history on this site, and my own personal history, about which I have been quite open, could easily have mistaken my intentions in the main article. It is my fault for being far too brief and vague, not yours for taking what I wrote at its face value.

Ted

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Monday, July 9, 2007 - 10:39pmSanction this postReply
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Here is Christopher Hitchen's take on the doctors in the doctors' plot: "Physician, Heal Thyself."

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Monday, July 9, 2007 - 10:42pmSanction this postReply
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'Dr. Bilal was not a normal person: he never had a girlfriend or close friendships with other students..."

From the July 5, 2007 NY Times.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 9:06amSanction this postReply
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Ted- thanks for the clarification and expansion. That makes a lot more sense.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 3:28pmSanction this postReply
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Interesting.

 

It is the combination of polygyny and the promise of a large harem of virgins in heaven that motivates many young Muslim men to commit suicide bombings.” http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20070622-000002.xml


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Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 4:05pmSanction this postReply
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Houris, Wine, & Young Boys in Paradise

"Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded."
-Koran 52:24

"Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness."
-Koran 56:17

"And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls."
-Koran 76:19

"Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them."
-Hadith, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34

Source: http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/heaven.html

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Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 4:43pmSanction this postReply
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Political Correctness and the Truth about Killers

Lindh's homosexual adventures, although denied by his lawyers, are not widely doubted. Hayat's understanding of English is not questioned, simply his ability to express himself clearly in colloquial English. (Indeed, how many people learn the colloquial words for sodomy in elementary school or in a course on basic or business English?) At the time the reports of his sexual encounters came out, the story soon died in the same way that the beltway shooter's "special relationship" was played down by the press. Do we hear about the beltway snipers as Muslims and apparent lovers? Does the press use their Muslim names? Is Jose Padilla referred to by his Muslim name? Or the shoe bomber John Reid? The politically correct media policy of only mentioning the sexual orientation, race, or Muslim religion of victims, not agressors, is widely known and well documented.

Again, the point I want to make here is not that the jihadis are more enlightened than our own army, and that they openly recruit open and happy homosexuals to their cause. At the time that the Koran and the Hadiths were recorded, Islam was not established and wished to appeal to the widest possible audience. Nowadays, no sect of Islam approves of wine or homosexuality in any form - except in heaven where one can "sin" to one's heart content.

What goes on in different Muslim countries and in urban centers where homosexuals can meet more easily may make the social situation there like it was in the US before the Stonewall riot - but even then, no US State ever allowed the execution of homosexuals simply for religious reasons. In Muslim countries, the threat of vigilante stonings and judicial execution is always possible. As I write, it is being reported that a man convicted of adultery in Iran was buried up to his waist and stoned to death as a government sanctioned and publicized execution.

Ted Keer

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Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 2:38amSanction this postReply
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Christopher Hitchens:

"And then third, it seems to me absolutely invariably true based on sexual repression, and out of fear and disgust, robbing the sexual act, the most important thing that we do. And the misery and the violence that comes from that seems to me inevitable, and to be laid not at the door of those who misuse religion, but at the door of those who interpret it correctly." Hugh Hewitt Town Hall Debate

Ted Keer

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Tuesday, December 25, 2007 - 9:13pmSanction this postReply
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Taliban Soft-Homoerotica at Amazon

This article caused a little controversy when I first posted it. I was surprised one day when I visited Slate to read Christopher Hitchens to find a link showing a video about homoerotic photos taken of Taliban warriors before their overthrow in 2001. I could not download the video as it is not Mac compatible.

But Thomas Dworzak has documented a swath of homoerotic Taliban self-portraits. One can search google images using the keywords "dworzak taliban" or see his work for yourself here at amazon.com

I should repeat that I see nothing wrong with homosexuality per se, and that some of the greatest known military minds have been homo- or bisexual, Caesar and Alexander the Great just to name a very few. My intended point was to show how easy it is for people of "forbidden" sexualities to be redirected in vicious directions when armed self-sacrifice is viewed as a way of validation for the otherwise outcast.

Ted Keer

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Wednesday, December 26, 2007 - 3:05amSanction this postReply
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Okay, the male hand holding thing has nothing to do with being homosexual, y'all.  It's a show of friendship in middle Eastern cultures.  There's even a film clip somewhere of a Saudi prince holding GW's hand as he showed him around the palace grounds.   I think it's sweet.

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Wednesday, December 26, 2007 - 5:35pmSanction this postReply
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Of course it doesn't prove a sexual attraction, but it doesn't disprove one, either. Did you actually do the image search and look at the other pictures, Teresa? Do you deny the plausibility of the thesis? Or are you just scoring that one minor point?

Ted

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Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 3:38amSanction this postReply
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My gaydar is broken, so looking at the pictures wouldn't do me much good.  I think there is ample ideological evidence to support your idea, Ted,  but I think it's a mistake to use a common, innocent custom to support it.


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