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Wednesday, September 5, 2007 - 8:21amSanction this postReply
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Newcomers who find Objectivism objectionable should take their dissents to the Dissent Forum:

http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/Dissent/

Otherwise, feel free to share your thoughts in this thread.




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Thursday, September 6, 2007 - 9:55amSanction this postReply
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This was excellent, Luke.

Only it should have been called:  "Advice for Young People...Period."

:-)

Thanks for this information, and your insights. I am going to have my son read this article.

Erica





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Thursday, September 6, 2007 - 4:33pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Erica -- and make sure your son understands the nature of knowledge as hierarchical and contextual and that one can generalize large and complex bodies of knowledge into a few simple statements, e.g. Newton's three laws of motion and one law of gravity to describe all of mechanics.

I represented the classic case of a student very good at memorizing equations and reciting facts and then applying them intuitively quite well on typical high school tests -- great for simple material but terrible for higher level grasping of complex topics like physics with calculus.  These bad learning habits really hammered me at NCSSM and continued to haunt me all through college.  I never really understood this "nature of knowledge" approach until I started reading Ayn Rand.  This happened my last semester of college, naturally.

The single biggest mistake I made at NCSSM happened my last semester.  I had the chance to read Atlas Shrugged for a book report and class project.  I liked the title and visited the library, but the huge size intimidated me as I had very little time to spare.  So I opted for a team project with two other guys for Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance instead.  We literally split the reading three ways and explained to each other the contents of our respective pieces -- a "fake it 'til you make it" approach.  The gal who read Atlas Shrugged did not seem moved by it when she gave her report.

A fellow NCSSM graduate became my dormitory roommate my freshman year at NCSU.  He majored in physics while I majored in mechanical engineering.  He teased me about the lack of elegance of the typical freshman level mechanics course, e.g. the concrete-bound "four magic equations" that reflected a correspondingly concrete-bound learning mentality.  By his sophomore year, he grew weary of the lack of integration and proper intellectual grounding the NCSU curriculum offered, so he took his inheritance from his late father and spent it on a proper "Great Books of the Western World" classical university program at Saint John's College in Annapolis, Maryland.  He eventually obtained master's and doctorate degrees in physics and now does research.

Regarding NCSU, its two major programs consist of Agricultural and Life Sciences (ALS) and Engineering.  The overwhelming number of students enter in one of those two majors.  Its college poster in 1984 consisted of a dairy cow looking at an Apple computer.  My roommate said, "This poster represents everything I see wrong with NCSU."  It took me quite a long time to understand what he meant.  I still think most people would find themselves challenged to justify the cost of a private university education, however.

In my opinion, SuperCamp looks like an excellent way for students to learn to engage their whole minds in the learning process instead of just the small portion that the rote method uses.  Since NCSSM obsesses with producing star students, it would do well to take a look at these methods and perhaps offer scholarships for incoming students to attend this program the summer before they begin NCSSM -- or require such incoming students to attend a similar program taught in-house.  The book I mentioned, Quantum Learning, talks about SuperCamp learning strategies in detail.

(Edited by Luke Setzer on 9/06, 4:38pm)




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Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - 3:17amSanction this postReply
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This site offers much useful information:

http://degree.net/

It shows various legitimate nontraditional ways to earn degrees while also exposing scams and degree mills.

As a humorous aside, check this free online book and note Figure 2, "Slacking Shangri-La":

http://www.slackism.com/images/the5habitssample.pdf

(Edited by Luke Setzer on 9/19, 5:13am)




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Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:20amSanction this postReply
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I found this very informative discussion comparing AP and IB programs:

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/education/entries/2005/03/29/advanced_placem.html

(Edited by Luke Setzer on 9/20, 8:00am)




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Saturday, October 6, 2007 - 10:11amSanction this postReply
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Discovered your interesting discussions yesterday.  

A couple SepSchool websites that I enjoy are
http://www.freedomofeducation.net/ and
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/egwest/ 
and of course you are welcome to contribute to our discussions at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SepSchool/?yguid=2353708 .   Dale




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Monday, October 8, 2007 - 5:28amSanction this postReply
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Dale, thanks for mentioning this article at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SepSchool/message/23907 -- interesting list!



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Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 6:55amSanction this postReply
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Another interesting and relevant thread at

http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=107419

also examines NCSSM.




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Wednesday, January 30 - 5:27amSanction this postReply
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This Urban Dictionary definition is pretty funny:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NCSSM




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Monday, February 25 - 7:53amSanction this postReply
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Someone I know who attended NCSSM with me wrote this novel that takes place there:

http://www.amazon.com/Matter-Faith-Brian-Morin/dp/1933570113




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Saturday, May 24 - 12:43amSanction this postReply
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A Matter of Faith is actually a novel, based roughly on the author's experiences at NCSSM. While the name of the school is unchanged, Morin admitted that there had been much exaggeration for the purposes of the story. The author, Brian Morin, actually came to speak to students about his company and some of his experiences post-NCSSM less than a month ago. As a current student (until June 2008, at least), I would rather this book not be taken as an example of everyday life at S&M. Just because Morin chose to donate all proceeds to the school (to the undying gratitude of the administration), doesn't mean all students are like him.

Also, just out of curiosity, where did you go/what did you do after your NCSSM experience?



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Monday, May 26 - 10:08amSanction this postReply
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I am glad someone at NCSSM finally posted to this thread.

As I implied in the article, I graduated NCSSM in 1984 and then attended NCSU 1984-1988 and graduated with a Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering (BSME) and have worked full time at NASA since graduation.

Intermixed with my years at NCSU, I participated in the NASA cooperative education program and alternated semesters of school and work 1986-1988.

I would have a hard time saying definitively whether NCSSM made a difference in whether or not I would have gotten my job at NASA because of all the other variables involved.

My main thrust in this article is to encourage people not to delude themselves into viewing NCSSM as some sort of cure-all "Hogwarts" for smart people.  As I am sure you have learned by now, it most certainly is not.  I also think many students might benefit more from the "Learn and Earn Early College High School" program which would allow them to mature at a more natural pace with loving, caring adults in their immediate families while still getting the challenging academia they crave.

Perhaps you would like to share with us any notable NCSSM experiences, good or bad, and what you would share with those considering it.

(Edited by Luke Setzer on 5/26, 10:09am)




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