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Saturday, June 11, 2011 - 3:55pmSanction this postReply
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Good article, Professor Machan.

One tiny bit of nit-picking re this assertion: "while yet others have managed to keep their sanity and focus without fail"

I would say that this last category of humanity is absent. Some people are close to perfection in their views, such as Ayn Rand, but we are all fallible human beings, as the ruthless way she brooked no opposition to any of her many views, some of them peculiar, about smoking, pollution, et. al. led to her booting out virtually everyone in her inner circle.

And yet, recognizing that essential fallibility is a feature, not a bug, for individuals to overcome their statist views that for most of us were an unquestioned part of the indoctrination one gets growing up. I became an Objectivist and a libertarian in part from observing politicians at very close range for eight years and having the epiphany that even ordinary people can't be trusted with power over others, much less the megalomaniacs and sociopaths who seem to predominate in a political environment (at least in the Hawaii state legislature).

People aren't angels. Politicians can't be trusted to act in your best interest, and according to Public Choice theory it requires one to assume altruism on their part to think they will act to benefit you rather than advancing their political careers, an irony that should hopefully not escape Objectivist minarchists.

Getting back to Rep. Weiner: I don't care who he wants to boink, or e-boink, or send naughty pictures to. I don't care about that in a politician. I would gladly take a libertine in their personal life who advanced liberty in their public life, than someone with a squeaky clean personal life but statist in their public life. I care about how their views affect my liberty, not about the problems in their personal life. For example, if someone thinks a non-smoking, non-drinking vegetarian who exhibits perfect marital fidelity would be the ideal candidate for any political office, I would suggest they read Shirer's "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" for a counterexample.

So, the problem with Rep. Weiner's conduct in my mind is not the sordid details of his personal life, but rather his lying to us when first confronted with it. Rather than saying something like, "My personal life, and the personal life of any politician, is none of the public's business" or even "On the advice of counsel, I will make no comments about these allegations", Rep. Weiner showed that he was willing to deceive the public in a desperate attempt to salvage his political career -- and that he wasn't even very good at lying, though I suppose that ineptness in lying is a virtue rather than a vice in a politician. Better to know you're dealing with a liar so you can take countermeasure.

Personally, I think Weiner should stay in office, because he is so discredited that the longer he stays in the public eye, the more thoroughly unwarranted confidence in politicians will be eroded. And, it's not like any replacement from that congressional district is likely to be anything but a hardcore statist Democrat, given the demographics.

I wish we had a scandal a week like this, so people would have the epiphany that one's fortunes shouldn't be entrusted to people megalomaniacal enough to do what it takes to seize power -- to people who have the audacity to think they are better at ruling other individuals they don't know anything about, than those individuals are at ruling themselves.

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Saturday, June 11, 2011 - 4:22pmSanction this postReply
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Jim,

"Getting back to Rep. Weiner: I don't care who he wants to boink, or e-boink, or send naughty pictures to."

It isn't a matter of his particular sexual desires, but his judgment. It shows extraordinarily bad judgment. We see one sex scandal after another - both parties, liberals and conservatives. Never seems to be a year go by without one or two.

When he lied to the public, that should have been sufficient reason for him to resign. But the other reason he should resign is the stupidity... the poor judgment. How could anyone think that would go on without becoming public? How could anyone think that when it became public that it would anything would be much different than what we see now.

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Sunday, June 12, 2011 - 5:07amSanction this postReply
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Being a fallible human being isn't the issue and Rand, in particular, insisted that human nature includes it; what is important is whether by being fallible human beings are prone to or must fail. And they aren't. Fallibility is a capacity, not a state, whereas being a failure is. Knowledge itself presupposes the capacity to remain ignorant or to err.

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Sunday, June 12, 2011 - 7:21amSanction this postReply
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If Wiener's view of the proper role of government was to see to it that the double yellow lines were painted fairly down the middle of the road -- as an example of something appropriate for state plumbers to undertake while maintaining the plumbing of state, then his sad peccadilloes would be a yawner. "No problem, perv, just keep painting those lines straight."

But he and his presume to 'run the Economy,' and by extension, not just his one and only life, but ours as well.

Not just his in the No Hope for Freedom Democratic Party, but his colleagues in the False Hope for Freedom GOP, as well.

That is the real sign of his total lack of judgement.

The perv stuff is just piling on.


(Edited by Fred Bartlett on 6/12, 7:22am)


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Monday, June 13, 2011 - 12:00pmSanction this postReply
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Steve -- I agree he showed extraordinarily bad judgment, and failed to project the consequences of his actions.

And then the sex scandal broke, and people became aware of another example of those failings.

The problem with him resigning is that the same idiots who elected Weiner will elect a replacement idiot, who will pursue the same destructive policies, but be more wary about sexual indiscretions.

I think Weiner is gone at the next election, his career seems done for, but in the meantime he is a reminder to everyone that politicians are not people with superior knowledge who should be trusted with copious amounts of power. Plus, I confess I have a bit of a mean streak and enjoy watching this arrogant arsehole get humiliated. And, the coverage on the Daily Show and the Colbert Report has been hilarious.

What I am saying is, Weiner has inadvertently added a lot of value to people's lives, and I thought one of the main points of Objectivism is to never choose to decrease value. =)

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Monday, June 13, 2011 - 12:23pmSanction this postReply
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Jim,

I'm enjoying watching the wiener roast (I also have a bit of a mean streak - but it also seems just given how vicious and unfair he was in his form of arguments for progressive positions).

In terms of short-term pragmatic politics there is probably an optimal amount of time for him to stay on before resigning. Too soon and he doesn't get roasted long enough, do the progressives enough harm, and as you say, he should serve as a reminder to the people of how flawed a politician may be.

But if he stays too long it dilutes the disvalue he portrays, it becomes a kind of moral sanction he doesn't deserve, he regains some moral courage and starts to speak out again on issues.

As to the losers in his district just electing another turkey... That's their choice and it is better to have some standards that get applied (pressuring his resignation), even if they send another turkey. And it is unlikely that they will send someone who was as effective as a spokesperson as the wiener was before he self-destructed.

So, in my opinion, the best thing in the world is for him to resign but not right away. Having more and more wiener photos and stories coming out and him scurrying around refusing to answer any more questions, and one by one no one willing to talk to him until he resigns... that would be just right.

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Monday, June 13, 2011 - 3:12pmSanction this postReply
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Why hasn't the FBI investigated Weiner's false allegations of his twitter account being hacked? Isn't falsely reporting a crime, a crime?

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Monday, June 13, 2011 - 3:48pmSanction this postReply
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I'm guessing that is why the Wiener never talked to the FBI and just kept saying that he had hired a private company to look into it - to try to side-step any claims of making a false report of a crime, or to lie, to a federal agency.

If I were the director of the FBI I'd be tempted to arrest him just on principle of some sort of fraud or false reporting.... even it couldn't be sustained in court.

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Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - 12:40pmSanction this postReply
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@ Steve -- What incentive would he have to resign? He's getting paid well into six figures for a job where he could not even bother to show up for work any more and no one could fire him for almost a year and a half.

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Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - 1:45pmSanction this postReply
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Jim,

This only becomes a question if you assume that he is totally immune to any sense of shame or guilt and that he has zero moral compass and that he can somehow magically disconnect his self-respect from his actions and judgments.

Well, assuming all of that, there is still the practical question. He will need to make a practical decision. He will never win over those who are not progressives. He is losing the support of the democrats (even many of the progressives) who all want him gone. He risks losing even the idiots who elected him.

And he needs to find something to do to earn a living. The longer he puts off resigning the more he brands himself with his recent behaviors. With his unfortunate last name it will be much harder to resurrect himself (like Clinton and Spitzer have).

He can choose to stay in a hostile environment that will get more and more hostile and where he becomes more and more deeply branded as nothing but a wiener joke... and all for a year and half's income. I'd say that's a bad choice.

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