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Sunday, August 9, 2009 - 1:40pmSanction this postReply
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Outstanding!

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 - 2:08pmSanction this postReply
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just three lines that stuck out:

--"... deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed"
--"... whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these"
--"... it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it"


-- they consented alright - all those who have to gain off the work of others - they'll see what just powers such government will bring them
-- certainly not destructive to the consented (yet) - and no one cares about dissenters - though they too are the governed
-- point-in-case: no one rushes in to 'alter or abolish' - which would be their constitutional right

so it was nice while it lasted, but the rule of the mob has finally caught up with you across the big pond ;)
if you count fingers who's getting the say in politics it's odds on the empty mouths have the louder voice and more fingers poked into your pockets

VSD

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Sunday, August 9, 2009 - 7:44pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Teresa.

Ed

p.s. I thought about fixing the errors and submitting this as an article entitled: "What happened?"

:-)



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Monday, August 10, 2009 - 3:14amSanction this postReply
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Yes!

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Monday, August 10, 2009 - 6:55amSanction this postReply
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Wow, Ed, this is great! Congratulations!

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Monday, August 10, 2009 - 11:03amSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Manfred!

Ed

p.s. Teresa, I'll need a few days to get the edits done and then submit the thing. The work week has become real busy for me.


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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 9:16amSanction this postReply
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Ed:

This is a nice piece. I want to comment on just one aspect:


Re: Welfare statists claim that life is a vale of tears and that the world is one big hospital where they need to dole out triage. They incessantly appeal to the "greater good." The health care bill talks about this, about how to treat folks who won't -- because of their age (either too young or too old) -- be able to do much for the "greater good."

Folks who understand justice as being more important than welfare -- because enforced justices is the keystone to all sustainable prosperity (and prosperity is needed for the very existence of "welfare") -- take the opposite view.


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I agree with Thomas Sowell's argument in "A Conflict of Visions" -- there are competing definitions of what justice is, and in some way, it is important to understand that 'welfare statists' believe they are fighting for their vision of 'justice.'

That is not to say, it is necessary to agree with that view of justice, or acknowledge its validity, but only that the motivations of 'welfare statists', internally, as far as they are concerned, are based on their pursuit of their view of 'justice.'

Sowell neatly categorized the two camps as 'process based justice' vs. 'outcome based justice,' and the two views are infinitely non-reconcilable. Process based justice, simply stated, is belief in a consistent set of rules, applicable to all, such that any outcomes, no matter what they are, are arrived at justly. Outcome based justice is a belief in rigging the rules to guarantee equal outcomes for all, no matter what. As in Vonnegut's lead weighted ballerinas.

Under process based justice, there is no coerced limit aimed at the top half and bottom half. Both the self directed heights of the top half, as well as the self directed depths of the bottom half, are primarily limited by self practice under the common set of process based rules. Although, subscribers to this ideal, such as Hayek, also embrace the concept of a 'safety net' below which citizens would be encouraged not to fall, limited welfare, the real villain in this world, according to its opponents, isn't the rising level of that safety-net, but the unlimited heights of the top half. In order to sell this as villainy, they have to paint a child-like image of our economies as Poker Games, with a fixed amount of chips, or a mythical One Pie World, where every slice of pie in someone hands is by necessity taken from some other. Nonsense, that is not the way money works in healthy economies, only in cartoon concepts like 'The' Economy.

As well, such freedom, based on value-for-value, is demagogued as 'dog eat dog.'

There is also a clear political instability in this freedom; the bottom 51% is always woo-able by promises to eat the top 49% on their behalf, and that is the exposed path to power that freedom under process based justice exposes.

Under outcome based view of justice, the rules of process are infinitely and arbitrarily riggable on a person by person basis, whatever is necessary, to try to achieve equal outcomes for all, usually based on arguments of ability/need and endless claims of right to subsidy. The inevitable outcome of this is two miserable souls in rags, fighting in a hovel, showing each other their runny sores, arguing over who has the 'right' to the not so maggoty piece of rotted meat on that basis.





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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 10:51amSanction this postReply
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The code words for the collectivists are "social justice"

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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 11:02amSanction this postReply
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Fred,

I see your point but to take it even a step farther; things have to integrate or the conceptual process breaks down. "Outcome-based justice" is an anti-concept. Both welfare and justice are things in their own right. If a lefty says that welfare IS justice -- i.e. if a lefty tries to collapse these two concepts into one (by "adopting" the anti-concept "outcome-based justice") -- then that is no less illogical than collapsing the concepts of apples and oranges into just apples (or just oranges).

The proper response to someone who dares to say that their view and use of justice is "welfare" (outcome-based), is to politely show them their contradiction and, if that's not enough, to then give up hope on them -- in order to save some hope for other people who may be more hopeful persons in one's life. It's not an argument, but a dishonest refusal to engage the ideas, when some lefty flatly declares that justice is "outcome-based."

Here is Confucious on the matter:

"If language is not correct, then what is said is not what is meant; if what is said is not what is meant, then what must be done remains undone; if this remains undone, morals and art will deteriorate; if justice goes astray, the people will stand about in helpless confusion. Hence there must be no arbitrariness in what is said. This matters above everything."
http://rebirthofreason.com/inc/Galleries/Quotes/577_t.shtml

Incidentally, my "friend's" response to this email was little more than a standard "blank out" equivocation of everything, with an existential "retreat" to an each-to-his-own post-modern subjectivism. What a terrible position for me to be in, as my friend has been so valuable in other aspects (aspects which don't involve the logic and abstraction that this issue requires).

Ed

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