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Somebody sound the alarm bells -- I have been upstaged in my own specialty by one Dean Michael Gores:

The U.S. Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) tests for Salmonella in meat, poultry, and egg products through three regulatory testing programs: the Pathogen Reduction-Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point (PR-HACCP) program, the ready-to-eat program for meat and poultry products, and the pasteurized egg products program. From 1998 through 2003, 293,938 samples collected for these testing programs were analyzed for the presence of Salmonella enterica serotypes. Of these samples, 12,699 (4.3%) were positive for Salmonella, and 167 (1.3%) of the positive samples (0.06% of all samples) contained Salmonella Enteritidis. The highest incidence of Salmonella Enteritidis was observed in ground chicken PR-HACCP samples (8 of 1,722 samples, 0.46%), and the lowest was found in steer-heifer PR-HACCP samples (0 of 12,835 samples).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17388045

Recap:
0.06% of chicken samples (6 out of every 10,000 samples) is likely infected with S. enteritidis. Dean's estimate of 0.005% is closer to the actual/observed (0.06%) than my estimate of 50%! While Dean was off by an order of magnitude, he was closer to the truth than even me (and that's saying something).

Ed

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 8/16, 10:54am)

Post 21

Monday, August 16, 2010 - 6:58pm

Dean,

I used pretty good foods -- and the USDA nutrient calculator -- and I got an estimate of only 2000 kcals from 4-lbs of food! Now, if you choose other, still-acceptable foods (e.g., chicken breast in place of turkey breast) -- then the calorie count should go up somewhat. My notes are below:

1-lb spinach
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104 kcal
13 pro
2 fat
17 carb

1/4-lb yam
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135 kcal
2 pro
0 fat
32 carb

1/4-lb blueberries
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65 kcal
1 pro
0 fat
17 carb

1-lb pears
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263 kcal
2 pro
1 fat
70 carb

1 oz pecans (19 halves)
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196 kcal
3 pro
20 fat
4 carb

1 oz pistachio nuts�(49 kernels)
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159 kcal
6 pro
13 fat
8 carb

1 oz walnuts (14 halves)
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185 kcal
4 pro
18 fat
4 carb

1 oz macadamias (10-12 kernels)
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204 kcal
2 pro
21 fat
4 carb

1/4-lb beefalo
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162 kcal
26 pro
5 fat
0 carb

1/2-lb turkey breast
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236 kcal
39 pro
4 fat
10 carb

1/4-lb light tuna
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132 kcal
29 pro
1 fat
0 carb

1/4-lb eggs
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163 kcal
14 pro
11 fat
1 carb

Ed

141g pro = 564 kcals = 28% pro
96g fat = 864 kcals = 43% fat
145 g carbs = 580 kcals = 29% carbs

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 8/16, 8:23pm)

Post 22

Monday, August 16, 2010 - 8:50pm

I just bookmarked that post Ed. Thanks : )

Post 23

Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - 5:57am

Sure thing, Dean.

It's not a prescription but more of a vague guide. An ideal macronutrient distribution would be closer to 30% protein, 35% fat, 35 % carbohydrate than this example was (28% protein, 43% fat, 29% carbohydrate).

The reason for this discordance is that there are too many nuts on this diet. A quick fix would be to just drop both the pecans and pistachio nuts -- making the diet perfect for all humans, everywhere.

Just kidding, but it'd make it more perfect than it was before.

Ed

Post 24

Wednesday, August 25, 2010 - 4:20pm

Dean,

There was a recent Salmonella outbreak and I'm afraid with your recent ingestion of raw eggs that there is a very good chance that you've become infected.

Are you sick?

Ed

Post 25

Wednesday, August 25, 2010 - 5:54pm

Ed, What are the numbers on this "outbreak"?

I bought and ate raw "organic cage free" eggs. I am not sick.

Post 26

Wednesday, August 25, 2010 - 6:31pm

Dean,

You might be safe. I understand that there were only two companies involved in this recall (Wright County Egg and Hillandale Farm) - they are large producers and maybe they don't do 'organic cage free' product (you should be able to check that out).

The period during which symptoms appear is 6 to 72 hours and include diarrhea, abdominal cramps, fever (100�F to 102�F), nausea, and/or vomiting. (Mayo Clinic, 2007, April 12; MMWR Recomm Rep, 2001).

Good luck, the odds seem to be in your favor.

Post 27

Wednesday, August 25, 2010 - 6:44pm