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Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 10:14pmSanction this postReply
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Max:

WMD: proven false
As Linz noted, everyone thought he had them and he acted as if it was so. Invading proved that he either didn't, or sent what he had to Syria. In any case. not invading would keep the same dictator in place spewing his crap.

 
Habouring Al-Kaida: Also proven false.
He did provide financial rewards to Palestinian suicide bombers families, so he supported terrorism abroad and in his country.

A Dictator: right, but this was only an emergency last reason.
First and bloody well good enough reason if you ask me. Your take on this actually almost makes me find use for Linz's much used phrase of Saddamite. Do you hate the fact that a bloody tyrant nutcase and his side-kicjks have been removed from power?

 
Violation of the UN resolution: You don't regard the UN as a rightfull and justified organisation, so you can't reason with those arguments.
F the UN

I still think Bush sucks, and is a lying power grabber like most politicians today. That being said, I support the reason and justice behind this war. All I find at fault is the execution of the whole thing.


 


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Monday, January 17, 2005 - 3:23amSanction this postReply
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Alec,

May I point your attention to the size of my nose?  Surely that counts for something.  Marronna mia!

Don't make me challenge you to a garlic chopping duel, because I will wipe the kitchen floor with you.  Ask Marcus how fast I can wield a cleaver.


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Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 10:28amSanction this postReply
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A few questions for the war hungry amoung us.

'Slavepens'; the world is full of them. Should we liberate them all, or only the ones that will not impose significant personal costs in doing so? Would a rational person have considered pre-war Iraq capable of being liberalised within the realms of reasonable cost, or even the possible?

Would a person who continues to favour western intervention, despite the repeated failure of such in areas which do not have supporting historical precedents, be best described as 'ahistorical'? Certainly history never repeats, but are there presently any distinctive factors which make Iraq any more likely to successfully implement liberty and democracy than ever before? Is violence the best method of enamouring strangers to western practices or might diplomacy be better suited?

Is the Bush administration a liberal paradise trying to spread liberty or are they more likely to be moral relativists who believe in the realist premises of power, struggle, and relative gains?

I don't believe I have heard any convincing answers to these questions. I can't help but think that the Hitchenses amoung us, that so easily swing between communism and extreme liberalism are simply war-lovers, passionate extremists who love conflict and wish for across-the-board panaceas for human problems, ready and willing to incur massive costs to institute their epic fantasies. I myself look back with sentiment towards those grand times in which man fought man with ever increasing brutality and technological sophistication. Just think of all that we have gained through conflict!

Just admit it, those of you who support the war want action! A grand opera of violence, passion and death where lives are given purpose and significance by the great currents of history being made. Diplomacy is far too boring. Argumentation and reasoning fail to satisfy entirely our animal urges to fight, to stand up and be counted. The philosophical arguements have all been made, the only avenue left for originality is in action itself. Forget Iraq, we need a real war where the struggle is significant enough for us to really feel the thrill of it. China awaits! Russia hails again! Indonesia beckons! The world is full of evil and suffering, let us strike with force now before time, ideas and progress alow these evils to cure themselves!

Forgive my facetiousness, I have had too little sleep. Truly there is much to be said for struggle, and there is much to struggle for when one has strong principles. Let us not, however, forget the poor unfortunates in this world who try to do their best for themselves and their families but whom are continually swept up in other people's struggles and whose lives are destroyed. Perhaps we should think of them a little before we let our sophisticated intellectual arguments, and all the beautiful simplifications and generalisations that they entail, ruin their lives.

Nicholai Mumford

Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.

-Blaise Pascal (Pensees, 1670)


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Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 9:04pmSanction this postReply
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The pentagon, according to Victor Davis Hanson, has recently forbidden the official use of the term "The Long War."

Such idiocy may help to lengthen it.

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