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Post 20

Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 1:58amSanction this postReply
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Much, if not all, of what Paul Roche says is completely contradicted by Alan Dershowitz in his book The Case for Israel, which I found very compelling and logically coherent.



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Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 7:04amSanction this postReply
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Paul Roche,

Are you related to George Roche, the former president of Hillsdale who quit in disgrace?




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Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 9:07amSanction this postReply
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Finally the Arabs, though outnumbered militarily 3 to 1, "invaded" Palestine in 1948 to
stop the expulsions of Arabs that had been going on since late 1947 after the Partition
at Lake Success,NY. It was not to "wipe out Israel" but to save Palestine from being wiped
out itself.
I am not going to argue about "legality" of League of Nations or United Nations or world opinions. But the above quote is completely contradictory to all the facts.




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Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 10:20amSanction this postReply
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Yes, Israel was not legitimately established. No, I'm not bothering to look at your racist, tendentious
description of Arab atrocities. The US killed four million in Indochina, plus millions of African slaves
and Indians, the ancient Hebrew tribes wiped out the Chaldeans, Philistines, Canaanites, Phoenicians,
Assyrians and many others. See Israel Shahak's Jewish History, Jewish Religion for examples of the barbarism of Judaism. See books on the Middle Ages for Christendom's extermination of tens of millions
of "witches" and others. The Germans alone came close to auto-genocide in exterminating each other in
the Thirty Years Protestant-Catholic Wars. Obviously, when you refer to a whole people like Ayn Rand
did to Arabs that is per se racist and nobody would have the slightest problem recognizing this if the subjectt
of these insane generalizations were Jews or Blacks or any other group. Only a willfully dense person could interpret Rand's vile racism as referring to only a language.
Reading list so one has to take my word for anything:
What Price Israel ? By Alfred M. Lilienthal
The Other Side Of The Coin   " "
The Zionist Connection  " "
All three books by Lilienthal are excellent.
Suez: The Twice-Fought by Kennett Love (no typo, Kennett, not Kenneth)
The Question Of Palestine by Edward Said
The Great War For Civilization:The Battle For The Middle East by Robert Fisk
The Fateful Triangle:The US, Israel and The Palestinians by Noam Chomsky, even though
Chomsky is a left zionist this is very worthwhile, get the revised 2000 ed., South End Press
The Gun and The Olive Branch by David Hirst
The Iron Wall:Israel & The Arab World by Avi Schlaim
The Transformation Of Palestine edited by Dr. Ibrahim Abu-Lughod
There are many more books but these are an excellent start.
I don't debate with imbeciles who equate criticism of Israel's racist, fascist
policies with attacks on Jews nor would my Jewish wife of many years agree
with that moronic sentiment.




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Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 11:12amSanction this postReply
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See The Case Against Israel by Michael Neumann (Amazon) for a point by point
demolition of the Dershowitz work. No relation to George. Nice try for a smear.
I posted a while ago my response to the attacks on my post and included a reading
list so people can verify what I have asserted here. Hong, your comment is out to lunch
but what else is new, eh ?




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Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 11:42amSanction this postReply
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If someone put up a poll asking if Paul Roche should be permitted to continue to spew his vile lies here, I'd say no.



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Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 11:48amSanction this postReply
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Well, Steve, my personal nickname for the RoR Dissent forum is "RoR Cesspool" so this seems the perfect place for him.  The rest of us at least have the sense to stay on the edge wearing protective gear and dumping disinfectants into the sewage treatment pond!  But you cannot engage in such waste treatment without a continuing stream of feces in the first place.  Paul Roche could at least give his posts a better appearance via good formatting, paragraph breaks, etc. to make them easier to read.  But as the saying goes, "You can't polish a turd."




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Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 12:07pmSanction this postReply
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Chomsky is a left zionist?  HUH?

I mean, Chomsky is most definitely left, but he's a pro-dictatorship communist and most definitely hates Zionism and Israel. 

Precisely how big are the crack rocks you're smoking there, "Paul"?  Or is it a hookah... Go back to your sleeper cell.

Give us all a break, already. 

(Edited by Jeremy M. LeRay on 4/25, 12:08pm)




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Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 12:22pmSanction this postReply
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nor would my Jewish wife of many years agree
with that moronic sentiment.
Ha!  See guys, he can't be Anti-Semitic...his wife's Jewish! And the Klansman always supplements his racist statements with "and one of my best friends is black..."

Right-o, chief.

Hey, Roach (oops, my fault...psycho-epistemological slip, perhaps); instead of blathering on about authors and whatnot, defend yourself.  You said Hong's statement was "out to lunch". 

Prove it, douchebag.  Put up or shut up.

Right now, the traditional history stands.  Six Arab states invaded the formed nation of Israel in 1948...and got their ass kicked to next week.  Palestinians fled of their own accord, and were consequently turned away by their Arab brethren.




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Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 12:38pmSanction this postReply
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Steve,

I applaud your efforts with this guy, but you'd have better luck reasoning with the floor than with deranged Arab egomania.




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Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 5:32pmSanction this postReply
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I have to wonder if this guy is really this irrational.  Why is it that every time I hear anti-Israel rants, it's entirely unsupported and pure rhetoric?  At least my floor doesn't shout back such garbage.  Try using small words and short sentences - nah, it's hopeless.  The guy is a waste of time and pretty much everything else.  May your god of bigotry light your way, peace be with you.



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Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 5:41pmSanction this postReply
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Yes, Israel was not legitimately established. No, I'm not bothering to look at your racist, tendentious
description of Arab atrocities. The US killed four million in Indochina, plus millions of African slaves
and Indians, the ancient Hebrew tribes wiped out the Chaldeans, Philistines, Canaanites, Phoenicians,
Assyrians and many others.
Wow.  Current history is blown off, but ancient history gets all the attention.  Weird.  Is it fun to rewrite history, Paul?  I mean, who the hell needs context, anyway?

I wasn't aware that the Assyrians were wiped out by the Hebrews. All this time I thought it was the Persians, and even they didn't "wipe them out."  Ever heard of Genghis Khan?  All those Mongols must have been Jewish, huh?

Go back to school, dude.  




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Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 12:08amSanction this postReply
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Well, Steve, my personal nickname for the RoR Dissent forum is "RoR Cesspool" so this seems the perfect place for him.
Well, I think your assessment applies to this particular instance, but I think it's a good thing that there is a dissent forum at this website, because I don't think that all dissent is necessarily rot.




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Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 5:08pmSanction this postReply
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Paul R.,

the ancient Hebrew tribes wiped out the Chaldeans, Philistines, Canaanites, Phoenicians,
Assyrians ...
Aren't you forgetting the Midianites (or are they actually included in your list)? My holy bible says -- in the Book of Numbers (verses 1:30-31) -- "Vengeance on the Midianites." Moses et al. slaughtered every adult man and woman, and even the little boys. Little girls, if there was evidence that they had not yet "known" a man -- we're taken"captive", for some unmentionable reason.

But so what? As Teresa said, what in the hell is the purpose of bringing up millenia-old atrocities -- when today's actions have to do with today's circumstances? In my bible it says that folks' sins are paid throughout several (I believe, 7) generations. That's a load of bullshit. It's just wrong to punish kids for the "sins of their fathers."

But you don't think so, Paul R., do you?

Ed




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