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Monday, August 20, 2007 - 9:28amSanction this postReply
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Rand says in Atlas Shrugged through the voice of John Galt that :"To the extent to which a man is rational, life is the premise directing his actions.  To the extent to which he is irrational, the premise directing his actions is death."  Does this not mean that, according to Objectivism, people should never either commit suicide or request euthanasia?  Yet I know that Peikoff has said in OPAR that some people can commit suicide justifiably.  How can this be the case if life is supposed to be one's standard of value?

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Monday, August 20, 2007 - 10:33amSanction this postReply
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In this case, life is probably defined as "Enjoyable self-sustaining and self-generated action". Constantly in pain or unable to do anything but lay in a hospital bet being supplied oxygen and nutrients through an IV would not meet the definition of "life".

I'm not a blind supporter of Peikoff or Rand, do not think Rand's word is the Everlasting Truth Divine. They made mistakes. Rand has a large number of great ideas that she put together into one system, and wrote great fiction novels, hence I hold high respect for her.

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Monday, August 20, 2007 - 4:13pmSanction this postReply
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Yet I know that Peikoff has said in OPAR that some people can commit suicide justifiably.  How can this be the case if life is supposed to be one's standard of value?


Hi Christopher,

"Life" in this context, and as Rand meant it, is more complex than simply being "alive." 

Religion has hijacked the term "life," and applied to merely being "alive." They are not at all the same thing.

(Edited by Teresa Summerlee Isanhart on 8/20, 4:22pm)


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Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 8:38pmSanction this postReply
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The fact is that your life will end someday anyway.  Even if you somehow manage to make it thru the "Singularity" and emerge as a meta-human entity unfettered by biological limits and able to live in virtually any environment with an intelligence comparable to homo sapien sapiens as we compare to ants, there will still someday very likely be something that will take you by surprise, such as a wave front from the collision of two black holes, travelling at light speed and undetectable until it arrives.

It's likely that many planets with life that could have evolved to conceptual intelligence have been sterilized repeatedly by local supernovas, just because they happen to lie too close to the galactic core.  And of course we had our dynosaur-killer asteroid, one of several, it's thought.

So, the point is how to live successfully, not indefinitely.  You are only aware of your death in the way that you are aware of any future event, through experience and expectation.  You are only directly aware of the present, so the trick is to maximize that awareness.


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Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 4:17amSanction this postReply
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Reproduction can significantly help "you" get through unexpected disasters. Especially when we are talking about living during/post singularity. Of course "offspring" could never be perfect copies, although for reliability that is not such a bad thing.

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Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 7:30pmSanction this postReply
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Christopher, Teresa said it well.

Human life is not equivalent to "death prevention" -- it's something more than that.

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