Rebirth of Reason

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Post 40

Friday, July 4, 2008 - 9:31amSanction this postReply
Mr. Kolker,

You said,
That sounds like mental masturbation. If I made the same comment about my dick, you would think ill of me.
Mr. Kolker, if you choose to talk about improving your abilities in the area of sexual self-pleasuring, I won't think ill of you.  Honest, go ahead.  Branden's statement about playing his consciousness like a musical instrument was about increasing his skill in the use of the tool that lets us comprehend what exists while generating the experiential content that gives life such meaning.

To tell you the truth, I'd just as soon you did talk about your dick.  Please don't leap to the conclusion that your dick or your ideas of what constitutes mental masturbation hold any interest for me, it's just that, based on your last posts, I'd rather you talk about anything other than what I write.  I say this with a smile.... really.  I just don't want you to feel any need to continue mis-reading, mis-quoting and generally misunderstanding me.  (But you can if you want - I'm libertarian like that.)

I didn't imply that "most of what there is is not In Here. It is Out There."  Really, go take a look.  That's not what I said.

You said,
"The subconscious is NOT vaster than any continent." 
Evidently Branden and I both might as well have been masturbating as trying communicate to you through poetic metaphor.  But if I were going to take the time to be literal with you, I'd ask why you decided to use the bit as the unit for comparison of vastness?  Given the context of my post, wouldn't the reference more likely been about exploration?  Some of us (I won't name any names) may have left their subconscious quite unexplored relative to even some of the smaller continents. 

You said,
"What goes on in our heads is necessary and interesting but it is not everything, not nearly." 
Again, I didn't say anything like that.  I didn't even use the word "everything" - go ahead, take a look.

You said,
"Brains are necessary but not sufficient. We have to pay attention to what is Out There." 
What, if I might be so bold to ask, do you "pay attention" with, if it isn't your brain.  Why, without my brain I'd have a hard time paying attention to anything inside or out!  And isn't what's In There part of existence too?

If you wanted to argue that neither knowing the world better nor maximizing our happiness would be enhanced by understanding our minds better or by being more skillfull in the control of our consciousness - you should have just said so!


Post 41

Friday, July 4, 2008 - 10:01amSanction this postReply
Mr. Kolker said,
I am sufficiently wise in the ways of the world to (not) harbor any romantic or idealistic illusions.

Since I do not introspect (it is contrary to my nature) I spend my time thinking about what is Out There.
  • Without introspection one can only say they are wise. 
  • Not all illusions can be told from reality without introspection, like an illusion of being wise. 
  • Introspection is thinking about that part of the universe that lets us think about any part of the universe. 
  • Why would someone want to exclude their own mental processes from that part of the universe open to exploration? 
  • Someone could just as well have said, "I don't examine my own thoughts (it is contrary to my nature)..."

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Post 42

Friday, July 4, 2008 - 11:56amSanction this postReply

Bob may as well have said that he's an anti-mind Kantian who doesn't even really know his own impressions of things (as they are "in themselves"), but only some subjective impressions of his subjective impressions of things. In Kant's philosophy, having a mind is what it is that makes you conceptually blind -- much like having ears makes you deaf, and having a voice makes you dumb (pun intended).



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