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Sunday, January 5, 2003 - 4:59amSanction this postReply
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When we arrange our values into a hierarchy, with Life as our highest value, what does 'Life' mean?

I know there has been disagreement in the past as to whether 'Life' means survival or eudemonia. If we accept that 'Life', in this regard, means 'survival', then the argument appears to be strengthened in two ways:

1) The value becomes easily identifiable, leaving little room for misidentification.

2) The value has a factual aspect, in that no other value is possible without 'survival'.

However, placing 'survival' as one's highest value seems to seriously limit the potential of the human animal, and seems to conflict with some of life's basic human needs. If one places 'survival' as one's highest value, then why take a path which leads to greater achievement, over one which leads to greater probability of an extended life? The astronauts put themselves at great risk, as do soldiers, coal miners, and numerous other people who work away from their desk, in the field, in sometimes dangerous environments. Moreover, I would venture to guess that a large majority of parents would knowingly give their lives to save their children, which would contradict survival as the highest value. Also note that placing survival as one's highest value leaves no room for any type of recreation and pleasure, especially recreational activities like 'thrill-seeking'.

It seems to me that the concept of 'Life as a Human' must be the ultimate value that we each must seek, even though we can't identify in concrete terms all the human activity that this would encompass. Nevertheless, this amiguous term would allow us to align ourselves with our human nature, though we may never be able to completely define the concept. 'Life as a Human' would allow each of us to experience eudemonia and eliminate the constraints placed upon us when we choose survival as the ultimate value. We would be free to achieve our dreams even though such achievement might come at great risk. We could experience pleasure through 'thrill-seeking', and we could give our lives for those we love.

If a rational ethics requires us to act in accordance with our nature, then we bridge the Is/Ought problem. We ACT because we ARE. Such a bridge requires us to align our highest value, with our human nature, which is what we ARE, whatever that might be.

Craig Haynie (Houston)

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Sunday, January 5, 2003 - 10:30amSanction this postReply
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"Such a bridge requires us to align our highest value, with our human nature, which is what we ARE, whatever that might be."

So basically you are advocating that our nature, not logic, is the guiding principle behind higher values. Doesn't make much sense to me.

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Sunday, January 5, 2003 - 11:13amSanction this postReply
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Actually, I'm trying to say that it is logical that our guiding principle be in line with our nature. What sort of other guiding principle would reason give us? Also, how do you respond to the problems I've outlined which come up when one assigns 'survival' as one's high value?

Sincerely,

Craig

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Sunday, January 5, 2003 - 11:20amSanction this postReply
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Actually, I'm trying to say that it is logical that our guiding principle be in line with our nature. What sort of other guiding principle would reason give us? Also, how do you respond to the problems I've outlined which come up when one assigns 'survival' as one's high value?

Sincerely,

Craig

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Sunday, January 5, 2003 - 2:58pmSanction this postReply
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You can try reading this.

http://solohq.com/Articles/Rowlands/The_Meaning_Of_Life.shtml

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Sunday, January 5, 2003 - 3:17pmSanction this postReply
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I don't think there is any problem about assigning survival as one's highest value. You simply assume that some positive values are not a logical consequence of survival as highest value. You need to prove this.

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Sunday, January 5, 2003 - 6:30pmSanction this postReply
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Mr. Rowlands, thank you! I enjoyed reading your essay, and will try to read many of your others soon. I hope to have more to say on this issue, later.

Mr. Tremblay, I don't know how to do what you suggest. Can you provide a reference which demonstrates how something like 'thrill-seeking' could be a logical consequence of survival as the highest value? I do not understand how some of the abstract values that many people hold, can be linked to survival without directly seeking happiness. If the standard of value is 'survival', then doesn't this mandate that we abstain from seeking happiness directly -- otherwise, we would be incorporating 'happiness' into our standard?

Craig Haynie (Houston)

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Sunday, January 5, 2003 - 11:34pmSanction this postReply
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Since I dislike repeating myself, I will quote from a debate I am currently participating in :

"This is a misunderstanding of the egoist standard. Life as the prime value does not imply that survival, and only survival, is the goal of one's actions. It is the end goal, yes : but it also implies a great number of values and virtues.
Kelley details their categories in p81 of Logical Structure of Objectivism : there are material needs, spiritual needs, social needs, and political needs. In traditional terms, we might say : survival and flourishing. Each of these implies a great number of values and virtues. "Life" in the ethical sense is not just mere survival : it is the sum of all these values and virtues."

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Monday, January 6, 2003 - 12:27amSanction this postReply
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Hi Craig,

Glad you enjoyed the article. Hope it helped some. It's a big issue, and I only explored part of it.

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