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Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 10:20amSanction this postReply
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What does it mean that Australian suffrage is "compulsory"? Do you HAVE to vote? Are you penalized if you don't?

I get this information from the CIA World Factbook, which merely labels U.S. suffrage as universal, but not as compulsory.

Thanks!
Mary

http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/as.html

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Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:55pmSanction this postReply
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According to my girlfriend, you get fined if you don't vote.

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Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 7:37pmSanction this postReply
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Australian Politicians are so awfull, nobody in their right mind would vote for them. So they had a great idea. They passed a law forcing the slaves to vote for them.

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Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 8:01pmSanction this postReply
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I hope to Chaos that there aren't any Yank politicians reading this board; they might get ideas. I personally think that Voltaire and Diderot had the right ideas.

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Monday, July 21, 2003 - 11:10amSanction this postReply
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Thanks for the input. Mandatory democratic suffrage. Forced choice. Quite an oxymoron, like "honest politician."

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Monday, July 21, 2003 - 12:41pmSanction this postReply
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That's not an oxymoron, Mary. An honest politician is one who stays bought. But I can name a few others: "Christian Science", "efficient government", "mystic knowledge", "military intelligence".

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Monday, July 21, 2003 - 2:02pmSanction this postReply
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I do not know much about Australia. I do, however, know about their Tall Poppy Syndrome, which is widespread in Australian culture. If one dare pops his head above the crowd, they are to be brought back down to an "equal" level. Sadly, it is now becoming more widespread in American culture. Martha Stewart is an ideal example.

The problem with this is that a culture imbedded with this doctrine, will hate America's greatest acheivers.

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Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 7:43amSanction this postReply
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to answer the original question - voting is compulsory. This is interesting, and the conundrum of voting in a democracy is studied at university in politics 101 etc. In Australia, this law is to the benefit of left wing Labor, as generally speaking right leaning folk (ironically, the Liberal Party) are of course more likely to vote, and to believe in voting, as opposed to people who regard government (and making the effort to vote) as getting in the way of sport, family and a drink with your mates. So, because of compulsory voting, Labor's chance of re-election at any given time is increased. This leads to the interesting situation of any left wing pollie ie any Labor or Democrat (token third libertarian party in basically a two party system) supporting this law in debate and the more authoritarian right wing Liberal pollies decrying it as an abuse of democracy. Which it is. At any given election/referendum, up to 10% of the vote is 'informal', and a lot of these informal votes are people who go to a polling centre, sign off the electoral roll, and then write `go screw yourself'etc on the voting slip. I think this level of informal votes is much higher than in any other western democracy. On the upside, it makes Australians much more politically aware and attentive, and election night parties are almost as good a reason for a piss up as a footy grand final; the question being who did you vote for rather than did you vote. I think the fine is $A50, or thereabouts.

To expand on the effect it has on the political landscape, members of parliament represent geographic blocks, and depending on the demographics of that area ie low or high income and so on, then it may be a massive disadvantage or an advantage to have compulsory voting.

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Sunday, August 3, 2003 - 7:28amSanction this postReply
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To get an idea of how utterly socialist the People's Republic of Australia is consider that:
The marginal tax rate at $60 000 (US$40 000)is 48%, plus medicare levy of 2% or so. On top of that (if you are self employed) you are FORCED to contribute to a private pension scheme (taxed in and taxed out) of 9% of net income. If not self employed your employer pays half. This is a highly regulated scheme so is effectively a tax.
You can't take your money out even after you leave the country.

After paying 60% or so on your top dollar earned you pay another 10% on everything you buy and more on cars, gasoline and luxury items.
Yes - and if you did succeed after all that you have the tall poppy syndrome to contend with.

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Friday, August 15, 2003 - 10:22amSanction this postReply
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so albert, is compulsory voting good or bad for australia - could this tax rate be lowered if it wasn't compulsory?

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Friday, January 9, 2004 - 4:45pmSanction this postReply
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There are two points I would make about this. First of all, it's pretty easy to avoid paying tax in Oz, so you need to travel and experience the country before jumping to conclusions based on something you read about tax in Oz. Secondly, the standard of living in Australia is higher than that of the US (a recent survey placed us in the top five in the world, regarding length of life, happiness, health, and so on). Finally, if you don’t vote, nothing much happens. The government hardly ever follow it up (though it may happen sometimes). For instance, I didn’t vote for about ten years, and nothing was ever done about it. It’s like our helmet laws (if you ride a bike you’re supposed to wear one). Every time I rode (for exercise) over the last twenty years I had no helmet. One time I even rode past a cop on the footpath. Nothing happened. In other words, there are the rules, and the rule book, and then there is REAL LIFE. I read an article recently about the hundreds of crazy laws you have in the US, and the point is that most of them are ignored. Nonetheless, they are laws, and they exist, and they make the US look a hell of a lot stupider than Australia.

I will post a small selection below.

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Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 9:42pmSanction this postReply
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As one or more of the other respondents has/have mentioned or implied, it seems curious to require someone to exercise a right, that is, in this case, to make voting compulsory.

As a an ageing Australian, I am happy to have my say by voting, but I wish that it were not something imposed on voters. On the other hand, I am saddened (not really - I'm cranky!) at failure to make the best of what justly may be regarded as a bad choice (the least evil, if you like) shown either by neglecting to vote or by deliberately spoiling a ballot paper - a right that is not used may too easily be lost altogether.

Possibly, those so-called ozzies who sneer at Australian voting provisions and other matters that don't happen to suit their ideas, ideals and prejudices (like slackoes who can't be bothered for their own safety using a helmet while riding a bike, and then clutter up the footpaths with their bikes) would be among the first to squeal and moan if they were deprived of any say at all in the running of the country.

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Friday, January 16, 2004 - 2:10pmSanction this postReply
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I was trying to paste that list of weird US laws, but the board clapped up. I’ll try again below, and post the info in sections. Yanks love to criticize other countries – I lived there for a year, and couldn’t wait to get away from the suffocating place. To walk on the beach you have to take a ticket and wait your turn. I found a great deal more freedom in Australia, by far.

In the meantime, rupepill, during the twenty or so years I have ridden a bike without a helmet, flouting the helmet laws in front of everyone, I have only encountered one old bastard who objected. He waved his cane around and abused me for being a “helmet-less criminal.”
I gave him the one fingered salute and told him to shove his cane up his ass. Whoever would have thought I would come across him again, on an American discussion board?

List of idiotic US laws:

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Friday, January 16, 2004 - 2:17pmSanction this postReply
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List of idiotic US laws:

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Eavesdropping on your own conversation is a felony in Illinois

In TX, a $25 a year license is required to possess a dead alligator!

Alabama: It is illegal for a driver to be blindfolded while operating a vehicle.
Dominoes may not be played on Sunday.
It is illegal to wear a fake mustache that causes laughter in church.
California: Sunshine is guaranteed to the masses.
Animals are banned from mating publicly within 1,500 feet of a tavern, school, or place of worship.
Bathhouses are against the law. [Get the full text of this law.]
It is a misdemeanor to shoot at any kind of game from a moving vehicle, unless the target is a whale.
Women may not drive in a house coat.

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Friday, January 16, 2004 - 2:21pmSanction this postReply
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Florida: Women may be fined for falling asleep under a hair dryer, as can the salon owner.
A special law prohibits unmarried women from parachuting on Sunday or she shall risk arrest, fine, and/or jailing.
If an elephant is left tied to a parking meter, the parking fee has to be paid just as it would for a vehicle.
It is illegal to sing in a public place while attired in a swimsuit.
Men may not be seen publicly in any kind of strapless gown.
Having sexual relations with a porcupine is illegal.
It is illegal to skateboard without a license.

Kansas: Prohibits shooting rabbits from a motorboat.

Louisiana: It is illegal to rob a bank and then shoot at the bank teller with a water pistol.

Indiana: It is illegal for a liquor store to sell cold soft drinks.

Liquor stores may not sell milk.

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Friday, January 16, 2004 - 2:23pmSanction this postReply
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Michigan: You may not swear in front of women and children in the state of Michigan.

Nebraska: It is illegal for bar owners to sell beer unless they are simultaneously brewing a kettle of soup.

New York: A fine of $25 can be levied for flirting. This old law specifically prohibits men from turning around on any city street and looking "at a woman in that way." A second conviction for a crime of this magnitude calls for the violating male to be forced to wear a "pair of horse-blinders" wherever and whenever he goes outside for a stroll.
It is against the law to throw a ball at someone's head for fun.
A license must be purchased before hanging clothes on a clothesline.
The penalty for jumping off a building is death.

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Friday, January 16, 2004 - 2:26pmSanction this postReply
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North Dakota: Beer and pretzels can't be served at the same time in any bar or restaurant.
It is illegal to lie down and fall asleep with your shoes on.

Ohio: It is illegal to fish for whales on Sunday.
It is illegal to get a fish drunk.

Pennsylvania: A person is not eligible to become Governor if he/she has participated in a duel.

Texas: It is illegal to take more than three sips of beer at a time while standing.
It is illegal to drive without windshield wipers. You don't need a windshield, but you must have the wipers.
It is illegal for one to shoot a buffalo from the second story of a hotel.
It is illegal to milk another person's cow.
A recently passed anticrime law requires criminals to give their victims 24 hours notice, either orally or in writing, and to explain the nature of the crime to be committed.
The entire Encyclopedia Britannica is banned in Texas because it contains a formula for making beer at home.

Wisconsin: You must manually flush all urinals in a building.

Butter substitutes are not allowed to be served in state prisons.

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Friday, January 16, 2004 - 2:37pmSanction this postReply
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continued . . .

That was just the tip of the iceberg.

In summary: You might be fined for playing dominoes on Sunday in Alabama, but you probably won’t. Just as I wasn’t fined for not voting in Australia. There are stupid, dumb laws in every country, and if you wish to point to ours, we can point to yours. I ride a bike without a helmet, with Floridians ride skateboards without a license, and we’re both breaking the law, and nothing much happens. Ho hum. Big deal.

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Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 5:38amSanction this postReply
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Your thoughts are oppressive to me, so please go away and leave the board immediately. I have connections ! You Austrians are really the bottom of the barrel. You supported America, when tehy attacked an innocent tyrant, and now you want to get in to rebuild a ruined nation. Saving women and children from terrorists, and BEING PROUD OF IT!!! Hello ? Anybody home ? Don't you see the contradiction ?

Do what boomerangs do - GO HOME !!
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