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Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 2:28pmSanction this postReply
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Unity is Unity. People who support the concept try to evade that fact. They claim it will produce more individuals when individualism is it's archenemy.

Unity vs. Independence. Collectivism vs. Individualism. Slowly, those who support "Unity", are indeed, fighting against it, and are taking away the genuine pride of an individual, and, collectively speaking, make individuals feel as if theyre only but a splintered fragment of the "whole". Unity as such, does nothing. Many don't care to see where it is leading. The way is pretty much the way of the future, according to most people. A world of obedience and unity.

A world where the thought of each man will not be his own, but an attempt to guess the thought in the brain of his neighbor who'll have no thought. All must agree with all. I have noticed this by your mentality. Whenever I come upon a disagreement with you, your "unity" mindset goes right up your ass. I guess I won't be supporting unity any time soon.

Look around you. Pick up any newspaper and read to me the headlines. Collectivism is the God of our century, along with "others" and "society". To act together. To think- together. To feel- together. To unite, to agree, to obey. To obey, to serve, to sacrifice. Nice world Unity supporters envision, but I will have no part of it!

Without individuals, Unity could not exist.

Unity will accomplish one blatant result, namely, destruction.

We've been pounded for centuries that Altruism is the ultimate ideal, and now that I look back at my life, I'm surprised I didn't flow with that doctrine. People are beginning to accept it the only way it can be accepted, by seeking self-esteem through others. Look at how many of society's ills are directly related to this issue.

Those who's intentions are a "unification", or attempt to "unify" the world claim that, in fact, it will accomplish it's opposite motive: individuality.

I do not know a nicer way to say this to any Altruist, but I wish they would desist in trying to blow their second-hand, altruistic, unity-related bullshit up my ass. They're demanding my obedience, not my agreement.

I thought that I should have addressed this issue at full here. People seem to use certain scapegoats to blame for a source of society's ills, but they never seem to look into what is underlying much of the problems- Altruism and Collectivism.

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Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 2:32pmSanction this postReply
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I think I addressed that obedience vs. agreement idea a little too abrupt, and arrogantly.

What they usually ask is for your understanding, which is where you come across an impossibility.

What do you think about understanding it? I seem to have a pretty good understanding of Altruism, but I am struck by an evident factor when you actually do understand them, they then immediately ask you to obey to the doctrine, not agree.

Eh, weird people:P

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Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 5:10pmSanction this postReply
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Nate, why didn't you submit this as an article? I've found that it's always an altruist extolling the virtue of unity for the sake of unity, rather than the virtue of rational individuals working together when they have a cause in common.

Give this a bit of polish and send it to editor@solohq.com; if I was the editor I'd accept it.

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Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 3:25pmSanction this postReply
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It does need some polish:P

I'll probably edit a few aspects then send it in.

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Sunday, August 3, 2003 - 10:47amSanction this postReply
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Unity and Collectivism are not the same. Not sure on how to define it but I think it has something to do with common values that rational people will agree on and rally around if necessary. I think you are offering a false alternative Nate in that independent individualists cannot be united.
Remember the Alamo!

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Sunday, August 3, 2003 - 10:54amSanction this postReply
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Thinking further. I understand what you are talking about when you hear people call for "unity".
Unity isn't a primary though, just like "diversity" isn't one either but rather a result of something else. So these people are asking for the outcome without knowing or caring about the cause.

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