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Post 40

Friday, July 9, 2004 - 4:57pmSanction this postReply
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Hi, Regi.
 
>>Of course I agree, the best family is the one we make ourselves.<<
 
Truly a labor of love.
 
Regards,
Bill



Post 41

Friday, July 9, 2004 - 6:29pmSanction this postReply
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Joe,
Somebody can act on an emotion without being aware of the cause(s) of that emotion.  If that person acts on the emotion--solely because he is having that emotion (i.e., disregarding the cause of the emotion)--then, yes, he would be acting on a whim.
mmm. Lemme try again. I'm not talking about people who act on their emotions. I'm talking about people who act on whatever causes those emotions, even if they don't fully or correctly understand that cause. I might agree with you that someone acting on emotion solely because he's having that emotion is acting on whim. But I'm talking about someone who is not acting on emotion, but rather, incomplete or inaccurate knowledge of the cause of that emotion. 

If I'm still not making sense to you, I'm ready to leave this point alone. I don't think it's critical.

Jordan


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Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 5:48amSanction this postReply
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I'm talking about people who act on whatever causes those emotions, even if they don't fully or correctly understand that cause.

No, I wouldn't say that person is acting on a whim...just incorrect information; an error in judgment.


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Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 10:51amSanction this postReply
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Joe: Thanks for your article- I found it intriguing in its honesty and its fresh approach to a normally hackneyed topic. I don't share your feelings, but I can imagine your situation.

In my case, my feelings towards family changed enormously when I had my own son. I had always rejected concepts such as "unquestioning love" but I cannot now find any better way to explain the way I feel about my son. No matter how badly he behaves, I would love him and care for him like noone else on earth. I cannot really explain this feeling, but it what is important for me is the way I see the relationship with my own parents. I can understand now how hard it is for them to see us grow up and move away, sad to see us grow but proud to see us independent and self-supporting. Being a parent is an enormous role, if carried out properly, and I cannot help but think that setting the care of a child as a goal, and striving to achieve it, along with the satisfaction (and tears) that comes with it all contributes towards a family bond that is very difficult to explain in objectivist terms.


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Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 10:58amSanction this postReply
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Regi,
   I feel bad for not replying to your post (#31) back then.  I made it a point to sit down and think through it all, because quite frankly I was stumped and confused.  I started, then got caught up in other stuff.  Unfortunately, I never revisited it, and at this point I cannot either.  I appreciated your explication of your (unique?) perspective, and hopefully I can revisit it again, as this topic really interests me.  :) 
-Dominic


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Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 9:46amSanction this postReply
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Dominic,

You have a very long memory; how flattering to be included in it.

Please do not feel bad about not responding. If you enjoyed it or found it interesting, that is enough.

Thanks for remembering.

Regi


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Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 9:39pmSanction this postReply
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The institution of family is as old as humaity itself.  The family unit, it all its various forms, has until Modern times been an essential survival component for peoples across the globe.  For example, farming families had to have as many kids as possible in order to make sure there was enough labor to make things work (even if for this purpose they failed to produce boys, daughters could still be married off for a dowry).  Aristocrats and Royals also needed to have families  to preserve their system of automatic wealth and power by birthright.

Additionally, all of the above during pre-Industrial times were subjected to significant infant mortality rates and low life expectacies. Cranking out the kids one after one was essential because you knew a certain percentage were simply not going to make it.

For many, especially the poor peasant classes, the family was among the only venue in society where they could feel recognized as equal (or better) to another individual.    It is thus no wonder that throughout time, some very tight bonds formed between family members, and that an expectation of unconditional love and acceptance emerged.     

And let's face it, you would not be here if your parents did not choose to have you.  They gave you the gift of life.  They care for and provide for you during a time in your life when you're 100% incapable of doing so on your own.  And assuming they did so ethically and with your best interests in mind, it is entirely normal - and right I might add - to reciprocate that feeling back to them.

Rand obviously viewed having a family and children as a hindrance to achieving her individual greatness (which is her right), and as a result she left many stones unturned on these issues, as she probably didn't feel the need to contemplate complex philosophical and moral issues with the parent child relationship.   In general, I think that family and child rearing issues are an area that needs to be explored further by modern Objectivists. 


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